I think most of us have no problem discussing the existence of BBFS among Kgirl providers.  In fact, there have been many insightful and informative discussions here about this subject in the ABSTRACT, without need to identify any particular girls that may or may not offer such services to some of their customers.  

You guys in So Cal need to stop calling BBFS by the term PSE, To every one else in the country PSE does NOT mean BBFS, and it's causing a LOT of confusion and misunderstandings here.

I REALLY hate those mofos because I didn't have the opportunity to see her before she left. May their fuck sticks rot, whither, and fall off.

Some of these 'top tier' girls have been doing the unspoken since they first became hookers, in other cities or countries, before they came to LA. To put it harshly, they were already tainted, and they brought it upon themselves.

I feel the way it's been offered is extremely reckless. They do not require their clients to have proof that they are STD free and they offered none. I do not feel BBFS providers should expect hobbyists to keep it a secret if she's going to offer it, whether it's only for a few or many or all. Why blame the messengers (reviewers)? Anyway, you can't keep it a secret even if nobody writes about it in TER review. It's already out there on the internet and they have no problem naming names.  I also think it's a good thing if agencies start to BL those hobbyist who ask for BBFS, but I don't think it will be enough to stop the practice. Personally, I would like to see it stopped, but I respect those who decide to continue. It's their choice, but I would like to know which provider is engaging in such activities so I can avoid her. If her business suffer then other providers might decide not to engage in offering BBFS. If it's good for her business then at least I can avoid them when it's in the open.

They may not be hurting business in the very short term, but from what I see the MMS in NYC do not like the added attention.  There is a local board in the Northeast, and every time a special is offered to one guy, he brags about it, and that girl's business spikes.  You all know what happens next - she leaves or is forced to.  And no the business does not shift to a new girl, so all that 'publicity' is wasted.

a secret. By keeping it a secret only give more room to encourage and to continue the reckless behavior. IMHO

They HAVE sort of brought it upon themselves by trusting guys that shouldn't be trusted.  This is the problem because of the point I made in my OP.  Even girls that are liberal with BBFS still should have the right to choose without being hassled by guys that they don't want to offer it to.  By publishing it when the girl is not publishing herself it is going to hurt her business.  Contrast this with the BA where multiple girls in CV ads now have PSE after their names.  If the girl advertises it, then its okay to assume it's on the menu for everyone, but if she's not, it causes problems for her when she meets a customer that, for whatever reason, she wants to pass on.  Maybe a guy doesn't seem clean, has visible sores or bumps on his dick, or whatever, but the vast majority of girls want to be able to make the call on their own and not have guys posting on boards or in reviews that so-and-so is a sure thing for BBFS, which is what these assholes do.    

that your concern is only for yourself and you could care less about the impact on the girl or her business.   Are you a millennial?

is already being used in advertising, especially on the CV SF board, to denote a girl offers BBFS.

say shit like this from behind an alias.  Do you see the irony?  You're asking for full disclosure, yet YOU want to remain secret.  If keeping a secret is okay for you, why isn't it okay for a Kgirl?

West Coast lead the East Coast in these areas.  Local board exploded with a post from a provider about what PSE means.  I would say 75% assumed the traditional definition. Safe for now but not for long.  

I like checks that take huge facials and offer Greek.
Condom is fine.

Guys will be guys, but gentlemen mature like a fine Scotch.  You can always pick out the younger crowd by their posts.  

That's not the fucking point Bendadick!  What a stupid alias!  It does't fucking matter if they fucked the rest of the world BBFS.  Just who the FUCK are you to label these women "tainted" and degrade them as such individuals.  It's quite clear that you have the brain of fucking fruit fly!  Go fuck your left ear, before passing such degrading judgement on these women.  

The gentlemen on this this thread will know this.  The rest, pearls before the swine.

I recommend reevaluating the idea that they brought it upon themselves. Similar to what Coeur-de-lion said, I don't think the women are advertising or giving the green light for open forum discussion about it, but if they are it changes the situation.

I too thought pse meant attitude + possibly greek until recently but now that I know how it is used in Bay area ads, I say something like "naughty gfe" for the attitude part only. If I am looking for or referring to greek than I'm going to continue to specifically say greek to avoid confusion.

You are right, but lots of guys lurk here and don't post.  I feel like this notice is more for their benefit.

It hurts their business if they get so pissed off about it that they decide to quit early.   We all lose when this happens.

Wow.  I totally didn't know PSE meant bbfs.  So now I do.  These last two threads read like everyone wants to be invited to a secret Russian roulette party, woohoo.  Not me.  I hate condoms, but I like my life and my dick more.  The idea that this is about ego or these ladies business is pretty stupid.  The morons offering it or the morons rushing to demand it are simply that -- morons.  Where does "gentleman" and Russian roulette party go together?  Maybe in a Korean kickboxing movie?

+2. The great majority of us understand the difference between the 2 terms. Why do we let a small minority dictate language confusion? Just ignore them.

Or a piss fetish video with a certain orange asshole..

So do you guys in California plan on forcing the rest of us to use your terminology? Or are we going to figure out a way to avoid this confusion?

has already begun on the dickwad site for the current occupant of Her Majesty's former suite.

I'm looking at the problem objectively. Don't interpret my words maliciously.

PSE still doesn't mean bbfs.

Don't let a small minority manipulate us.  It's not equivalent to BBFS. Let's call a spade a spade. If some people are confused, we can't help them.

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Well said, more or less

"because they recognize that guys with big mouths are making their girls unsafe" I don't think that's what you meant to say. I think the girls are still safe for us -- it's just the big mouths have made the hobby unsafe for the girls

Well I suspect you're correct that lowlifes will be lowlifes but there is a concept called honor among thieves and that's the standard that should apply here. It goes along with the STFU principle.

I am not doing anything that will harm myself or others. I am not doing anything reckless. I am taking extreme care to protect myself, including my usage of alias. I do not think K-girls, who provide BBFS, are doing that. However, I feel you should focus on the discussion that you brought up instead of getting distracted on me, personally. Focus on the discussion. It's more important than me.

Again, I feel we should focus on the issue/discussion instead of insulting each others.

Although I do not think the policy of not naming names has or will protect K-girls or ourselves, I will respect the wisdom of the majority here and not name names (not that I have or was intending to). I will not be able to continue this discussion any further because I am taking my favorite on a vacation. Good luck to you all and please be safe.

Still don't see the irony in your double standard, then there is no hope for you to have any credibility here in the future.

Offer BBFS by putting PSE after their names (check the SF CV board), so how can you say everyone knows the difference?  You're making yourself look clueless again.  

Outing a girl also gets the interest of LE, because BBFS created a public health issue. There have been instances in the past where KE gives priority to shutting down providers that are not practicing safe sex. The adds additional risk for the girls if bring busted, AND an unwary customer who may be in the wrong place at the wrong time.  So it's not completely still safe for us.

There is what it's supposed to mean, and then there is what it's being commonly USED to mean on the west coast.

Advertising PSE in SF on the CV site, because EVERY SF Kgirl hobbyist understands the PSE designation MEANS BBFS. Since you say it's only a few guys, why don't you straighten them out since you're "in the know."

Well, I just wanted to wish you a warm & wonderful vacation with your "favorite".  I hope you find a nice palm tree under the sun to spend with your favorite girl "Rosie"...."Rosie Palm" that is...

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Providers (not just Kgirls) that have offered BBFS to their regulars. Granted, not in the wholesale, indiscriminate basis of the past few years.  I think you still have to leave it up the each individual girl to make a choice of staying UTR in going public. You have to respect the recent developments in SF where the girls that offer BBFS are being up front about it. If they do that here, it will make it a lot easier for someone like you to decide who you want to see without violating anyone's trust.

If he gets BBFS, which is often the case when you go on vacation with your "favorite", was he going to come back and name her so we will all feel safer by knowing.

But that's where one of the problems is. PSE typically doesn't mean BBFS and I don't think it did before in the areas now using that term. I get that some want to advertise BBFS and putting that in an ad will undoubtedly attract the wrong attention but the reality is that if the local market changes the meaning of PSE that's going to attract the same type of unwanted attention. I'm talking about LE and other public agencies due to risks of spreading disease.

the un-confused majority know what we want and get. No problem for us. If a Kgirl offers BBFS, no one need to accept it.

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gentleman hobbyists.  You're no gentleman.  On the thread below, when someone asked for names of PSE girls, you couldn't wait to be a scumbag and give up Pepsi and Yoona.  AND you KNEW you were responding to a request for PSE names meaning BBFS.  You're right that you're not confused.  You knew exactly what you were doing.  No one ever seems to agree with you, so don't know how that makes you part of any "majority."  Its laughable.  

Unwanted pregnancies and unwanted attention bookers/owners will threaten to kick the girl out if she does it.  

with an NPD who'll do anything to get attention. He accused you of naming Pepsi & Yoona for PSE. Sure, we the un-confused majority know PSE is no synonym for BBFS. If that Forrest Dumb continues to promote confusion, he just mainly satisfies his craving for attention.  
Well, we'll let him have the last word because (a) he has too much time on his hand; and (b) another chance for attention.  
LMAO on obvious snake oil pitch.

This is a national board. Only about a dozen Kgirls advertised such in SF. Why do we let them dictate our use of the English language. You say EVERY SF K hobbyist knows. When did you take such poll? Get help from Gallop before you make wild broad brush claim.  
Kgirls are confused on many parts of the English language. If some scumbags in search of BBFS find their girls, let them do it at their peril. I for one will not sink to that level.

Good for you brother.  

To take over the title of village idiot from L-K.  You can call me whatever names you want, although something new and origiinal would be nice, but the fact remains that you're both clueless about the LA Kgirl scene.  Do you have one single Kgirl veteran that will vouch that you know what you're talking about?  Neither does L-K.  At least in your case, you recently put up a few generic reviews. Not any unique details, so maybe they're real and maybe they're fake. If they're real, it's a step in the right direction.  If you drop the same old tired worn-out shit bashing me, you might get a modicum of credibility some day.

Surprised no one responded to this.  I agree with you.  But I think the OP point is more about "you're lame if you brag about it, and it hurts everyone."  I also agree with that, paraphrased as it is...

An ad says, "All natural," and I think it means no implants, but when the girl show up it means she is sporting a bush that starts at her navel and goes half way down her thighs.  You can either pass on DATY, or end up coughing up hairs for the rest of the day.  

Kind of agree with dancebbq09 only if that is her regular menu somewhere else because she should advertise it to attract her target customers and leave the unwitting customers out of it.

With a wink.  

You're mainly preaching to the choir here.  
Perhaps sending PMs to the people to the people who write the reviews might be a better way to go about this.  

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Avoid the temptation. You're exactly playing into his thirst for attention. As Shaunna said, "He can't help himself". But, let's have mercy on him. As you pointed out in that K81944 post, such behavior comes from childhood trauma. I think K8 must be a psychiatrist.  
The poor sicko must have called me by all names over 2 yrs, but I never sank to that level to respond.

To me in two years?  Who do you expect to believe that when a simple search shows you're lying your ass off . . . . as usual?  

I am not going to be bullied by them into changing the English language to suit them and likewise I am not going to let a handful of K girls a couple of thousand miles away from me change the meaning of PSE either.

Previously you mentioned the confused use only in CA. Actually, more limited, to the dozen or so Kgirls in SF. We don't have such confusion in LA. I'm willing to post a poll on the LA board to see what percentage is so confused.

He's a lurker that is so far out of the loop on the LA Kgirl scene he has been designated the VILLAGE IDIOT by my PM network.  None of his ramblings are ever supported by the local respected veterans, even though he brown-noses several here.  

It's really a mutual choice between the provider and client isn't it? Also, I think the providers expect you to post a review and they want a good one. However, I don't believe anyone should include bbfs in their reviews. I've seen non-kgirl providers who advertise no CIM. However, I assume YMMV. If you are allowed CIM, are you going to out that girl? It seems stupid and wrecks your relationship. That's my opinion.

is hellbent on brown nosing K bookers at the expense of our English.
If that cockroach is a lurker, then this narcissistic cockroach is a stalker, who takes advantage of someone who would not respond.

I SO Agree!