I fully expect that there may be costs for certain extras. But when I see an Incall Rate, I assume that rate is inclusive of a location, be it your place, a hotel, or other residence a provider has procured. Occasionally, it’s more than an Outcall rate because the provider has the extra expense of booking a hotel. No issue. But why do some providers list an amount and separately list an additional expense for the hotel? I feel this is misleading. Just increase your incall rate.
All you need to do is add up two numbers how is it that misleading.
It's listed elsewhere, as opposed in the Incall fee. Most incall fees don't have a fee I need to scroll down to find. I have seen a few that have an asterick or parenthesis to explain the fee is higher due to the hotel cost. That's fine. But the only benefit to not including it in the fee upfront is it now will show up in filtered searches for the lower amount that is not the actual amount. I'm mainly referring to ad sites, not personal websites, since there is no search terms or filtering on personal websites.
Also, all they need to do is add it up too. If you think the choice not to do it is not intentional, than you are following the bait.
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Touring Providers may have a different rate for each city (NYC, Boston, SF cost more than Tinytown), based on hotel cost and availability. They might even have access to an apartment so their touring fee could have a low option. Even local Providers might offer to host out of their home or a hotel, depending on whether she knows you or not.
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Incall 350 (apartment; her own or borrowed from a friend, IF you've met before)
Incall 500 (hotel 4-star, assuming she has two or more appointments that day to split the room cost)
Incall 600 (hotel 4-star if you are her only appointment that day)
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Incall 300 + hotel (to be discussed of determined before the meeting)
You want to meet on the East Side where the hotels are more expensive and she agrees = 300 + 300 = 600.
She mentions that hotels on the West Side are cheaper and suggests 300 + 200 = 500 and you can agree or not.
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I think I do understand your "filter" issue, but I think I also see the Provider's side: she's trying to emphasize that the cost of her services are reasonable and apart from the greedy, expensive hotel fees.
It's listed elsewhere, as opposed in the Incall fee. Most incall fees don't have a fee I need to scroll down to find. I have seen a few that have an asterick or parenthesis to explain the fee is higher due to the hotel cost. That's fine. But the only benefit to not including it in the fee upfront is it now will show up in filtered searches for the lower amount that is not the actual amount. I'm mainly referring to ad sites, not personal websites, since there is no search terms or filtering on personal websites.
Also, all they need to do is add it up too. If you think the choice not to do it is not intentional, than you are following the bait.
Not a single one of the ads I have seen with hotel fees makes it that complex. I have seen some that have a slightly higher fee in certain cities, like NYC, LA, SF, etc… Those ones never have a separate hotel fee. And they make complete sense.
The ones with hotel fees almost never delineate the amount based on home city and where they are traveling. $200 seems to be the popular amount. It’s not an expensive coverage. It’s a hidden fee plain and simple. The hotel doesn’t charge more if they book 2 or 3 appointments in a day. And, they will take the $200 from each client. They don’t change this rate when in cheaper cities, so they will profit more in ones that are cheaper to book hotels.
You’re giving too much credit to providers. It’s sneaky. Period.
Wow imposter! Thanks for getting it! We certainly don’t want to charge extra all the time if we can borrow an apt because that is not right. But we don’t want to get screwed either if the hotel costs $300 and we are only charging 300. That means we either hope for another appt and we make nothing . And often times another appt does not manifest no matter hard we try. For me though I like to just book a place for 4-5 days. Some days I’ll make money like yesterday I had 2 that did 1500 sessions. They even wanted more but I had to say no but Sunday I had one for $425 only . Usually by the end of the week it averages out though but I know many ladies are afraid to take that leap and spend the money upfront because even regulars are a toss up these days.
How is it misleading if she spells it out clearly beforehand?
On ad sites, there is filtering. Just like on TER. Imagine you search on TER for a certain price range, and the prices are based on her Incall fee. But you then go to her ad or website, and somewhere else it shows an additional fee for booking a hotel. We all know incall means her place, be it her apartment, hotel, or whatnot. It's not like I have a choice to not pay for the additional fee if I want incall. Now imagine in doing your homework, this happens 25 times, and you spent an hour or more doing the research for these 25 pages, only to find they are all outside of your budget. Wouldn't you appreciate it more if the search filter was for the amount you knew you had to pay?
Look, if we are talking truly optional extras, those absolutely make sense to be listed seperately. But a place to meet when booking an incall is not optional. It's not like I can say, "I will pass on the hotel. Is there a McDonalds nearby with a free bathroom." Yes, gross, and not something I would actually say. But my point is, incall, to me, implies you are providing the place, so just include that in your fee. Many providers do exactly this. But some choose to post one price, than if you scroll down the page they have a footnote or what have you that says it's extra $$$ to book the hotel.
If you are seeing 25 pages like this then it just shows how expensive it gotten to be in this business and if they are booking a hotel ahead of time then that means they are not getting enough business to do so. So they are back to the you pay for the hotel way of doing things and giving you a choice of where that hotel can be. Just be glad there are still ladies offering services because many are retiring because it’s just not worth it and online services are more lucrative with less overhead.
Yeah, that's not it. First of all, I do extensive research into ladies all over the world, though mostly US since not as many outside of the US are reviewed on TER. 25 is just a small fraction of the profiles I review. I do this because finding ladies I'm interested in has become harder. A fair amount of them are ones I am hoping may tour through my area some day.
And, as I have said before, it's not about the cost. I know it's expensive, especially for traveling ladies. The cost of a hotel should be factored in. The idea is for ya'll to make money. I'm only talking about how it's communicated. If I am booking an Incall, you know that's me asking you to take care of the place. Include the cost of a hotel in your Incall rate. Don't post a rate and call it an Incall rate and bury an additional charge for a hotel somewhere else. On an ad site like Tryst, there is even an option to list Touring Rates, in case this is the case when touring but not in your home location.
This has come up before, not too long ago.
I don’t know which specific provider(s) the OP saw ads for, but I have seen some cases where it can be considered misleading, imo.
The whole point of it is usually to show up in the search results more often, when people are searching by cost. If she charges 500 but advertises her rates as 300 with a 200 incall fee, she’ll show up for people searching for 300 and below.
A lot of providers are very upfront about saying they’re mainly outcall but will arrange an incall if the customer pays for the room. That’s fine. I say it can be misleading because sometimes that incall fee is buried in a bunch of other fine print, not displayed right next to the rates.
Also, I’ve seen women with a given rate and a 200 incall fee and a 200 outcall fee. Either of those can make sense in their own right. For outcall, she has to get ready, travel to you, then travel back home before she can start to get ready for another appointment. So she’s spending more time on your appointment. Or, if she doesn’t have a static incall, she will be getting a room just for your appointment (allegedly).
But when she has BOTH “fees” (or if she only offers incall) then that’s just what she charges. It’s what it costs to see her. There’s no reason to itemize. If her published “rate” is not enough to see her in any way shape or form, yeah that’s misleading.
It all depends on how it’s done in the ad / website. We’re all used to seeing incall and outcall rates listed separately and they’re often different. That’s fine. Some providers don’t do it that way, they just present it as here’s my rates; and then there’s these separate fees, sometimes not even shown in the rates section of their site. They are obviously hoping you don’t see it at first, trying to get you committed to the date before you realize the cost. Yeah that’s fairly common in advertising these days but it’s slimy.
At the very least, it’s taking what should be a fairly straightforward transaction and making a little game out of it. Which makes me wonder what else she might do. It’s not a good look in terms of trustworthiness, and it’s annoying.
I can see that now and glad you both pointed that out. That has happened to me as well. I am certain some women play games in that area, but I can also see that not many girls know all that much about the filters and how they work. In my experience, newer girls know virtually nothing about them, as they are tools primarily for clients.
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My guess is that most women are not deliberately being deceptive, but may not know how this issue comes off to clients. Good points, both of you.
My guess is that most women are not deliberately being deceptive, but may not know how this issue comes off to clients. Good points, both of you.
I acknowledged some women probably play loose and fast with these things in my post. I guess you missed that.
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And if you think all the women know all about filters, I give you exhibit A below, with my reply to Scarlett re: the Tryst filters that she didn't know about. Scarlett has an excellent reputation, but being a provider, she would have less reason to know about all the filters than the clients, as she, again, is a provider and I doubt she is looking on ad malls to pay SWs for sex but she will tell us all if I am wrong. lol.
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I know you must have been burned on many occasions by women as you come off as quite jaded, and maybe I would feel as you do if I had your lived experiences. I just tend to think most women, as I believe most men, are decent and honest. It's the exceptions that make the "news" and stick in our minds. The "man bites dog" thing.
What is even your point, that some providers are intentionally deceptive but most of them do it on accident? Either way my point stands, it doesn't matter. Hidden fees are hidden fees regardless of the "intent." Sure most people are decent and honest but when I see something fishy I don't see any reason to give anyone the benefit of the doubt. You can call me jaded all you want and make whatever assumptions you want. I don't really care because at the end of the day it isn't like your words match your actions. You talk a lot about being trustworthy but you are incredibly selective and thorough with your screening. Why are you only seeing reviewed providers or highly reputable ones that are vetted by other reviewers? Why are you messaging other reviewers on here to ask additional questions about providers? Can't you just take the providers word and trust that they would be honest in their ad? GFE means GFE, right? When it comes to deposits, why do you use prepaid debit cards purchased with cash? Is there anything wrong with venmo, zelle, cashapp or paypal? I know prepaid debit cards are more anonymous, do you not trust providers with some personal information? Despite all your talk you seem just as jaded and trusting as the rest of us.
You don’t know the difference between protecting oneself and being jaded? Honestly? Lol. I have been called a number of names here but never “jaded.” That’s a new one. Lol
If most people, and providers, are good natured, why do you feel the need to protect yourself? The police aren't usually a problem in NYC (prosecutorial discretion). Who or What are you protecting yourself from? You don't see the dissonance here? When you post you act like guys are paranoid or jaded when they question a provider's motive. When you see a provider you do more rigorous background checks than some fortune 500 companies. It seems like you say one thing but do another.
The obvious answer is that “most” isn’t “all.” When playing in an illegal activity, one would be short sighted not to do any due diligence. I think 95% of women in this line of work are mostly decent and honest.
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That still leaves 5% who may be dishonest, mentally ill, etc. I do my research to protect myself from the 5%. This is bizarre I have to explain this to you. Shocking, actually.
....at 5% being in the crazy category. I'd like to think that the higher fee providers are in the safe zone but if you look at anyone who might advertise on Tryst as the pool, you might push that % 2 or 3 times higher. That said, I do think the majority of providers like to operate on a fair playing field but when stressed or faced with crisis in their lives, things can get a little crazy.
Despite what he says, Robert acts like that percentage is way higher than 5%. He is very picky, his screening methods are extensive and he sees the best luxury escorts. He isn't screening out 5% of crazies, he is screening out 99% of all providers. When it comes to hiring providers he leaves no stones unturned looking for potential red flags. When a guy comes to the board and asks about a potential red flag, Robert is dismissive and defensive on behalf of the provider. Meanwhile he is unlikely to actually book any of the providers he defends. Robert wants to be viewed as a kind, respectful client by providers. That is more important to him than giving any sort of useful, practical advice. That is whole point of his white-knight schtick. Robert uses TER for screening. He shares his TER handle to avoid more intensive PI based screening methods. He knows who is reading his posts. I don't blame him, it is smart. You just have to realize who his intended audience is.
I stick primarily with the higher fee providers so my sample size is certainly not representative of SWs in general. I certainly cant argue that when someone is stressed, and/or facing a crisis, they act abnormally.
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I also might be a tad lucky. My "bad" experiences are just a handful of occasions over 15 years of p4p with women who acted unprofessionally, to one degree or another.
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None of those instances were horrific, but sad in that I could no longer see them afterwards. I have only been threatened by one provider and she was clearly dealing with a mental health crisis at the time. I sweated that out for several days before she relented.
Obviously I know this lol. Its only shocking because you refuse to see the obvious point. You're kind of a hypocrite. You're making excuses and suggesting we should be giving providers the benefit of the doubt. However when you decide to hire a provider you don't really seem to be giving anyone much benefit of the doubt. You trust them about as much as the rest of us. Either way it doesn't matter what a person says or what is in their head and heart, actions matter. In my experience providers that have a lot of add-ons, hidden fees and deceptive rate structures tend to be poor investments regardless of their intentions.
5%?????
You must be new here!🤣🤣
You make it seem like it's some kind of accidental ignorance.
Whereas it's not. There is no practical reason that I can think of to have a separate fee that isn't explicitly mentioned. There is no difference to a client if he has to pay x money for incall rate or y rate + z money for hotel. As long as y+z=x, it's exactly the same.
Any such separation is done on purpose. And that purpose isn't to make the price clear - on the contrary, it is the opposite purpose of that. It's kinda like hiding an important clause under small print on the next to last page in ToS. It's a scammy tactic that giggles and says "ohh but technically not against the rules hehehe".
I have already stated that I am sure some women game the system. But yes, it is obviously in many cases that some women don't know about the filters and how that can appear deceptive even though that is not her intent.
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If you look at my first post in this thread you can gleam from that that I am against any hidden fees but I am not talking about those as they are clearly deceptive.
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Some women have a rate chart but clearly state that incall is, say, $200 more for her to get the room. That is not deceptive at all and is in fact explicit. She may show up in the filter as being $500/hr but the added $200 puts her at $700.
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That is my point about women not fully knowing how the filters work bc they are on the selling side and not the buyers side so they would have no reason to know all things filter or ever have a need to use them. As they gain experience, and maybe as a few close clients will tell them, then they become more experienced with the filters.
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Stop trying to think that I back bad behavior by women. I never, ever do.
Sheesh....you make it sound like an area car dealership: "the price posted is what you pay".
I agree with the general idea of "hidden fees" being misleading, but it just ultimately goes back to what we're all doing here.
It is an illegal activity (for the time being at least)
You expect all gals to post one price and you get to "eat all you can"?
The monger might show up looking like a hog and smells worse. YeaH....she will balk and possibly demand extra. Would you fault her for that? Not like you can call the BBB. If it's an agency, you'll get blacklisted. If she's an indy and is somewhat well known, she'll tell others.......
But show up looking like a million $$$, you might just get more and walk out stumbling and unable to stand.
It just shows how valuable TER is......
I just wish that TER would make it harder for the fake reviewers to post. Too easy to get free days, which by sheer numbers means too easy to post fake shit.
Um, yeah?
Yes, the price a seller posts is the price I pay as a buyer.
If I get quoted 300 for a car mechanic service, and if I drive my car and he says oops your car is old and dirty so it'll be 500.
Do you think I'll ever go to this mechanic again?
You're justifying hidden upsells with illeglaity of this activity?
Are you serious?
Whats next, it's OK for seller to bash your head in and take your cash? Since it's an illegal activity, surely. Right?
If the client is not presentable or whatever, send him home.
But hey, they fat and disgusting but that upsell extra couple of hundred surely makes that disappear. Pay an extra hunnid and you might look like George Clooney to the seller now!
What a joke.
Good grief.....
You sound deranged now.
Again, an illicit activity is generally a "buyer beware" situation.
Yes, a good provider will try to provide a good service and be transparent about her pricing.... hence we have TER to ensure she checks out as legit.... TER, with all of its shortcomings and slow to respond still provides all of us to a tool to help each other out..... good things......and bad......
But to assume that she "owes" you an AYCE won't get you very far, as they do "talk" to other providers. What if she suddenly has a bad day because the guy in front of you shorted her or roughed her up...or was just a plain ass? Yeah, your time spent as the unfortunate one next in line probably won't be great. It's just the nature of the beast. Comparing this activity to what a mechanic quotes you for work done on your car? The few gals on this board are probably raising their eyebrows at you right now.
I didn't "justify" hidden up-sells dumbass....I'm just saying that the gal doesn't OWE you anything.....Of course, if she's a thief, she will be called out on it and won't be in business for very long...... "for companionship only"....ever see it? It gives her an opportunity to size you up on a first visit to see if she's willing to give you something your left hand or wife/GF won't
You sound just like the mainstream media....chirping and whining without taking a moment to "think".
Better yet, have a drink and lighten up. The whole world isn't out to rip you off.......
You know more about the filters on tryst than I do, but I did comment on this below. For our tryst ad we post a "base" rate, but really up to the provider as to what all is included in that rate. You really can put any amount there so you show up in the basic search but then below we can list our incall, outcall, tour, and online rates, so they can all be different technically. My base rate is my incall rate for one hour which I am assuming most gals do, but technically with tryst it does not have to be.
I just don’t think a provider is necessarily and intentionally being deceptive bc she chooses an actual rate she offers for the filter. That rate may be the lowest rate she has but as long as her differing rates are spelled out clearly on her site or ad, it’s a non issue for most of us. We either accept it and further our research into that girl or we bail at that point.
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Yes it can be frustrating sometimes but I don’t find that in and if itself false advertising. It’s also impossible to get into a woman’s mind as she is doing it as there are so many factors that could enter, as I mentioned previously, like experience in the biz, experience specifically with Tryst, her overall rep etc etc
My point here is simple. You saw filters and built your whole defense around them, arguing that providers have no culpability if they don't know about them..
And what I said filters are literally unimportant. If they didn't exist (or culpability not being excused by ignorance didn't exist) , providers STILL would be culpable.
Because it's not about filters. It's never about filters. You just chose them as your point of defense.
Filters are just a side effect in deception.
The real culpability is in structuring prices in an obfuscated, deceptive manner, on purpose. No matter how you argue that they didn't know, everyone understands that they know. Because - again - there isn't a single practical reason to do such price structuring aside from deliberately deceiving the customer.
I NEVER said providers have “no culpability.” Yet again, look at my first post in this thread. What I have said is that some providers don’t know about, or don’t know the ramifications of how the filters affect the guys.
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You want to believe that anything that even gives the appearance of deception, is proof the girl is acting unprofessionally, and I know for a fact that is not the case in many instances.
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Yet again, your want is to paint with a very broad brush but any fair person knows that is never fair or accurate.
Once again you're ignoring the point here.
This isn't about filters at all. Knowing or not knowing about them is irrelevant. What is relevant is structuring pricing in a way that purposely obfuscate and deceive.
Yes you have claimed that some providers don't know about filters and hence blah blah blah. Irrelevant. Seems to me you're deliberately going down the dumb filter path instead of addressing the actual problem.
"You want to believe that anything that even gives the appearance of deception, is proof the girl is acting unprofessional"
No, false. I do believe that a practice that structures prices in a way where is zero practical application aside from deception, is a practice that is intentionally trying to deceive, yes. It's not rocket science.
I never said anything about "unprofessional". On the contrary, it seems very, what do kids say nowadays, "on brand" in this profession.
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Can you give an example of the additional hotel expense? When I tour I obviously stay in a hotel which is added already to my tour rates, so I am not sure what you would mean additional expenses at the hotel? Do you mean a parking fee? I am not sure what other fee that would be charged.
(for a large surface lot away from any kind of retail area!) they wanted to charge me for an early check-in (2 hours). Late check-out I can sort of see, but early check-in when they are not nearly packed and have plenty of rooms ready?
Then there are the amenity fees that are creeping in for the pool and weight room.
I don't use that motel any more.
On ad sites, for example Tryst, you have Incall and Outcall rates. So, it would look like this:
Incall
1 hour, $600
90 minutes, $900
2 hours, $1100
Outcall (Plus travel fees based on distance)
1 hour, $800
90 minutes, $1200
2 hours, $1500
Outcall might mention travel fees, which is 100% expected. Then I scroll down and see this:
Additional $200 to book hotel on top of Incall rate. Or, it's mentioned in the wordy paragraphs description, but not even mentioned in the rates. Or, and I have seen this one, it's on their website, but not on the ad on Tryst.
I have zero issue if a provider needs $200 to cover the hotel cost. So, this is nothing about what is being charged. I am always of the opinion that a lady decides her worth and her rate, and it is my choice to book her or not. This is only about how it's communicated. If it's $200 more, than I respectfully prefer it's just cooked into the Incall rate, not posted somewhere else for me to find.
I see what you’re saying, I rarely do incall so never ran into this.
OK, I see what you are saying. This is kind of like in the same vein of the Las Vegas gals that only charge $150, but that is just for them to show up to your room and then everything else is a la carte. Misleading but I do not think it is against tryst rules. Technically for a tryst ad we post a "base" rate, but what exactly that is or entails is really up to that individual provider.
weed out the marginal hobbyists. A guy complaining about extra costs to be passed on that are fully disclosed in the beginning is probably not much of a tipper, either.
You’re missing the point. This has zero to do with the money. It has everything to do with that it is not CLEARLY communicated. And 95% of providers don’t do this, so you’re really stretching it if you think the intention is to weed out cheapos.
you will understand that when you are going to a hotel she is using for an incall, there is often a surcharge for the room whether it's disclosed up front or not. If you go to meet a provider with only the exact amount of her donation in your pocket, you (speaking to all here, not you specifically, so no need to overreact) become the cheapo of which you speak. Experienced hobbyists know that when they are hosting the provider, they pay for the room, but when the provider has set up her incall for a few days in a four- or five-star hotel, we all know to be prepared to pay some portion, if not all, of the room. If they volunteer the info, great, but if they don't, we should go there being prepared anyway. Asking in advance how much your share of the room is seems a little tacky to me. I go prepared with enough cash for whatever contingency might reasonably come up, so there are NO awkward moments that could cast a shadow over the ensuing session.
I have been with over 100 independent providers, so not counting agency repeats, since agencies tend to operate the same way for all of their escorts. I think that qualifies me as experienced..
But I will add to this further. I have also read through thousands of ads. I do extensive homework in an effort to find escorts I match best with.
Now that I have qualified my experience. I will point out not even 5% of ads do it this way. Not one, not a single one, that I have booked just popped it on me when we met. So your “we all” experience doesn’t really apply to us all.
Stop being such a contrarian and making stuff up just to look right. You’re wrong on this one.
Look at this board newbie thinking he is going to take on the great CDL!! And you thought I was a troll. LOL
Popcorn is ready and I am just going to sit back and let the show begin.
WOOT!!!
Best of luck good sir. You had a great run.
I'm not a newbie. I have squared off with CDL before. He doesn't scare me anymore than you do. You all just don't recognize me because I had to change my screen name. And, as much as I would like to be upfront with you all, it's not worth a second attemtp at being estorted.
Now, take my advice from last time and piss off troll.
... it's a little suspect in my eyes. Private business will always push for a larger margin just like many properties will add the "resort" fee simply because everyone else is doing it and you can add another 10-15% on top of the sale while doing nothing to justify it. Just like the 3% CC fee businesses now add on at the point of sale. This isn't caused by any new burden to the business or post covid survival, it's just something retailers always wanted to do but previously not allowed too. Now "everyone is doing it" and again, an additional revenue source w/o additional costs.
Too think that a traveler is providing anything beyond what she has already factored into (and already paid for) the cost of doing business is dubious. Too think she's booking clean rooms and dragging around all her shit for each appointment is laughable. Think of that added incall fee the next time you lay down on a wet spot, lol.