P411 would be a good start if you’re not using it. There are many gents here who won’t even bother contacting providers who aren’t on P411. There have been numerous threads here over the years advocating the best way to avoid hassles and scams are for gents to stick with providers who have positive TER reviews and who are also on P411. I’m not saying that this will solve all of your screening issues, but it’s probably worth your time - especially in the long run.
Hi Everyone,
What is up with the gentlemen in Las Vegas not wanting to give any reference info?
Screening and seeing reputable clients are becoming more important now than ever.
References are the best way to determine if someone is truly legitimate.
So maybe the guys on this board, please can help me better understand ....... I received an e-mail from a gentleman who was willing to be screened but didn't want to use any references. I hope hobbyists understand that references are much of the way we providers keep each other safe! Even if I verify someone via employment, I still don't know if they are respectful, won't try to short me, have horrible hygiene, etc...
If a potential client isn't LE and isn't a total schlemiel, why would anyone not want to use references?
Thanks in advance for your suggestions! Have a wonderful week and stay safe!
Katie Kisses
I have met many new clients recently thinking they have never seen a provider because they give no ref, but give personal info, work in and even their ID. Then I meet them and ask and they say they have seen many. So why not give a ref. Person I saw today I said he could use me as a ref, but he said he doesn't use ref, he just gives his info. Why not give both? I can't figure it out either
LaRue
Very well said, LaRue! Thanks, I appreciate the response.
The community of escorts and clients has evolved a system of trust but verify.
No gentleman with good intentions, who wants to see a lady, will refuse screening. It's that simple.
Safety before anything. There's way too many good gentlemen who will follow the requirements necessary to see us.
The hobby is about pleasure and enjoyment for everyone.
Thank you LaRue, Xo
Best regards,
Katie Kisses
In general, I've never been comfortable giving references. Yes I understand the need from the other side to feel safe and comfortable...but in all my years, only two have asked for my references. Plus I hate asking anyone to "vouch for me".It seems that my references are hard to get a hold of, or have either retired.
But I am pretty transparent and open to answering any questions a young lady might have. Name rank and serial number
I'm an enigma
P411 would be a good start if you’re not using it. There are many gents here who won’t even bother contacting providers who aren’t on P411. There have been numerous threads here over the years advocating the best way to avoid hassles and scams are for gents to stick with providers who have positive TER reviews and who are also on P411. I’m not saying that this will solve all of your screening issues, but it’s probably worth your time - especially in the long run.
IHeartLV Thank you for your response Sir.
I saw many escort websites and many providers want two recent references for verification. Some will accept workplace information (including Linked in page) alone. A few will accept a government id.
P411 helps but not everyone uses.
So, I only accept TER whitelist members. I need provider references. To avoid LE and those who may have been arrested for violent crimes or robbery. Those actions cause providers to be on edge or become skeptical and much more careful.
A friend and client he told me: If a dude ignores your verification requirements you should ignore his existence.
I won't see anybody that is hesitant to provide verification info references. Safety is my number one priority and all money isn't good money!
A "Well reviewed TER provider" would NEVER misuse your personal info.
Nonetheless, a peace of mind makes for a peaceful date and more to come.
Sweetest Regards,
Katie Kisses
Indeed - in both directions. Both admirers and providers are screened and by requesting (and hopefully receiving) an OK from a provider after meeting it acts as a reference going forward. I totally rely on P-411 when looking for an independent and have never had an issue getting an appointment with no further exchange of info. It works for everyone involved.
Wished more ladies were on board here, but let me ask anyways.
How long from when you last seen client will you stop giving him a reference? A year? two, three or??
How many references will you give someone, 1,2,3 or? At what point do you say, "Enough already"?
If asking someone who I last saw 10 years ago to do me a solid, is that like tooooooo late? I could just imagine the conversation...."You want, what? I haven't seen you in 10 years and you come here alot and you haven't called me...FUCK YOU".....lol
What are the rules? If there's any. I know each girl is different but in general...whats the deal??
Dear Hpygolky! Thanks for the reply Sir.
I have seen your many great reviews on TER and your comments on the board.
You sound safe, nice and fun. I will not ask you for your information or your references 
To answer your question, every inquiry it is a different situation.
So Gents, please, protect us, respect a lady's verification process and understand that it's nothing against you, or that we aren't trying to be discreet or trying to be difficult - we're doing our jobs and making sure we stay safe while doing it.
Thank you again Hpygolky.
Hopefully your day will fulfill all of your wishes.
Xoxo
Katie Kisses
If a provider ask for a ref I let them know how long ago it was and let her decide if that too long ago for her liking.
I have had some ask for a ref of someone I saw once for 1hr 10 years ago. I usually have to tell the provider I don't have any emails to say yes or no from 10yrs ago but if I do, I tell her yes I saw them but she may want a newer ref. It's all up to what makes the provider comfortable
... but sometimes I just don't want who I've seen "out there" like that. Sometimes, references are requested with requirements the ladies I would use as references don't have. For example, they are "active" on social media. Ok, that's cool but at least two ladies I use as references, sometimes, just aren't active on social media as they are more active in "life" and are out and about doing various things.
There was a lady, maybe from Las Vegas but I'm not 100%, who was visiting my area and I sent references along with some other information for verification. I never heard back from her. So, that's not cool either. lol
I'm not from or in Las Vegas but I can understand wanting to keep confidential who I've seen in the past.
Also, if you rely on or prefer references, be VERY careful as there are some bastards out there who pretend to be companions, including setting up fake web presence. So, make sure you can truly verify your reference as being an actual companion.
Some providers get jealous and do not want to provide a reference. Now an uncomfortable conversation has gotten started. I know another gent who is an "arrangement" with a provider she thinks he is not seeing anyone else.
And then here comes the "drama" he does not need.
If a gent provides a reference to me who is reputable I might contact her it just depends on who it is.
I am very much Newbie friendly alot of my clients are this or semi-new.
If the reference does not get back to me I have other options to screen a gent. If a provider reaches out to me for a reference I will always provide one. As long as she includes links to show she is legit.
I recall back in the day I cannot speak for more current times. More than once I was told by clients that they have been whitelisted but never saw the provider for an appt.
Every lady is different on what she is comfortable accepting for screening.
Jaydalee
Sooo true. There are certain providers I won't even contact for a ref if their name is given because of drama. So I can understand this
YES. I have had drama from someone who asked me questions about why I wanted to see this new provider, especially if the provider is in the same city.
And even for those who have generously offered to be a reference for me, I also don't want to bother them with more admin work so I prefer to screen with ID and personal information. If someone requires a reference I will oblige, but most are OK with personal and work information.
It's easier and cleaner to just provide real world info if it's acceptable.
They say I don't want the other girls knowing that I m seeing other ladies..
(This one can be true on occasion I have heard other providers giving clients problems telling them not to see other ladies 😕) (other reasons have been they did something wrong with some of them so they don't want you to know) (3 reason didn't keep information or ask previous providers to be a reference)
But I take anything that prove that you are real person
Then I begin my own investigation to make sure I'll be safe seeing the client
Always trust your gut if someone is giving too much push back let it go not all Money is good money 💰
Just little tip
Hugs HAZEL Hayes
1)Some guys know or suspect the hookers they met b4 will give them a less than glowing reference.
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2)Some don’t have any references.
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3)Your fellow escorts dont all share your ideas on references. Not specific to Vegas, but there’s a growing trend of a lot of them getting weird when asked to give a reference. Not sure if jealous is the right word. Whatever. Many of them just WON’T
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4)Employment info? Anyone sending pii to a woman with an online history as limited as your own is probably in category 2 above.
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Bonus points for using “schlemiel”! +1!
Okay so.... on my website i have lot's of options for guys to screen with me. After i saw the article on Jason Kendall i must say i have been a little concerned and have been considering only accepting appointments that have at least two references that you have seen within the last year. Reason is that i 100% would have seen Jason Kendall if he had hit me up with what he did verify with. As far as i saw he gave his LinkedIn and ID. I would like to know your thoughts on this. It really shook me up. It hit close to home for me because i 100% would have seen him under the verification he provided. As if now my requirements are listed on my website.
Okay so.... on my website i have lot's of options for guys to screen with me. After i saw the article on Jason Kendall i must say i have been a little concerned and have been considering only accepting appointments that have at least two references that you have seen within the last year. Reason is that i 100% would have seen Jason Kendall if he had hit me up with what he did verify with. As far as i saw he gave his LinkedIn and ID. I would like to know your thoughts on this. It really shook me up. It hit close to home for me because i 100% would have seen him under the verification he provided. As if now my requirements are listed on my website.
Ok here is my skinny on that
1) I have asked girls to give a reference and the provider that was asking for the reference, was so mean and nasty and threatening to the girl providing the reference, they would almost never see me again. It was only because we had been seeing each other for 5 years or more that she knew something was up
2) I use P411 and that's it for me..If she is not on there then it's a no go for me seeing her
3) I tried to book a girl on 411 just two weeks ago and shortly after her text message to me I got a threatening text AND phone call that said her goons were on their way to my office to sort me out and they know who I am and where I work. So, that's why I use a texting app from the start, and the less a girl knows about me the safer I am. So linking people together is kind of a non starter for me. I would hate for someone to hurt one of the nice ladies I have seen over the years.
4) I had a girl give a reference on me and she told the requester the type of car I drive and when I showed up someone tried to mug me, and yes the mugger was from the new provider. This is also why I do not play the game of when a girls says, here is the address of a desolate parking lot and call me when you get there and I can give you directions, BTW if they try that, your going down the wrong road.
So that's my top 4 of why I don't do it
I have been coming to Vegas for a week every summer for the past 15 years, except 2020. I see 2-3 ladies every time I come. For the first 10 years or so, I would always use a ref from previous dates and even left reviews. What is insane, the last 5 years or so, every girl I have seen in the past 5 years have dropped off the face of the earth. Last year I saw 2 girls and they are both gone. One was active for a good 5 years and had 9-10 star reviews and everyone loved her, now she is just gone. Profile off TER, no website, gone.
There are active ladies I have seen still, but most I have not seen for 4-5 years and it would feel awkward to me to reach out to someone I have not talked to in years to ask if I can use a reference. I did that once and the lady told me if I had not seen in her the past 6 months she would not give me a reference. It was only a year later. So I find it much easier and less effort on my side to just give up my info.
Wait to come across the ones who want to charge for the reference
I have been coming to Vegas for a week every summer for the past 15 years, except 2020. I see 2-3 ladies every time I come. For the first 10 years or so, I would always use a ref from previous dates and even left reviews. What is insane, the last 5 years or so, every girl I have seen in the past 5 years have dropped off the face of the earth. Last year I saw 2 girls and they are both gone. One was active for a good 5 years and had 9-10 star reviews and everyone loved her, now she is just gone. Profile off TER, no website, gone.
There are active ladies I have seen still, but most I have not seen for 4-5 years and it would feel awkward to me to reach out to someone I have not talked to in years to ask if I can use a reference. I did that once and the lady told me if I had not seen in her the past 6 months she would not give me a reference. It was only a year later. So I find it much easier and less effort on my side to just give up my info.
I never understood why anyone would rely on references if you do not know the provider personally. I have noticed that providers who have asked me for references have not been very courteous. When I get a referral from a provider I know personally I send them a token of appreciation because it’s respectable. I love to make friends with providers who believe sharing is caring. Personally, I have never asked for references because it’s not necessary. We are all so very different.