or view to a TIP(meaning helpful hint)!
I admit it...I've done it...sometimes unwittingly and other times just to add a joke and /or convey a great experience with a provider while she is in town.I see it as a "public service" announcement for other TER members to let them know that "such and such" is still available and very much okay in VR's book!
As an example,I think we all know by now AshleyT's ATF's.
No need to name them here again...lol. I made a joking post one of the last times she was in town that it was time to "round up the usual suspects" that post after her...and sure enough... they all did!...Although I have not seen AT in quite some time;from their posts, I get a good feeling she's still the same fun gal I've seen previously. That being said...I believe the NY TER guys whom posted on the AT DC thread were unfairly chastised ;afterall, she was in a "new" town and familiarity on TER helps breed contentment.Conversely,I must admit too that when Rebekka first posted below I was not familiar with her whatsoever. A DC ATF of hers might have helped plenty with the intro but it hasn't came...at least not yet...lol. Anyhow,Rebekka sure reads YUMMY from her reviews. Down VR!...DOWN!
Many times it's just in a hobbyiest's good nature to give a "heads up" post on a provider that she's "still the one" and continues to give good service.It is a vital part of TER as once the "usual suspects" stop posting after her,it MIGHT raise some suspicions on her latest level of service or "lack of".ATF's, as they're called, just feel that good reviews alone do not suffice... so they post. They post to eliminate the doubt for others.
Is it proper?
It all depends on the individual reader to determine that. Who is doing the "schilling"?..Does he have reviews? Does he just "tip" on one girl or one agency?... cause ultimately its up to the hobbyist who reads the posts to make his own determination on a provider based on her reviews and that hobbyist's taste in women.One man's pudding is another's poison.
He could be the grand puba of hobbying saying a provider is this or that...but only a fool would act solely on just one person's say so.
Conversely, I have seen providers and felt compelled to tell the community about how great they were only to feel that maybe I should have kept my great time a secret.(how selfish)
Its partly done out of respect for the provider's great service and that the provider has only maybe a few days left on the tour.
A review should be in order but by the time its written and posted, she left town.
So as far as I'm concerned , a schill is not necesarily a schill but maybe a timely tip."Tipping" is probably a more appropriate term... as in tipping one's hat.The informed hobbyiest can then seperate "the wheat from the chaffe".Are there improprieties being played out? or are there sufficient reviews from long term balanced experienced posters/ reviewers.So this from the Sly Slims school of hobbying..."The educated hobbyiest is the providers best customer"
Cheers!... and VR says...Keep up those timely tips!
anyone else with something to say...
So post away!
If you've never seen VonRyan it's your loss. He's quite a guy. 
(I expect a discount now VR)
Get over it NY, we all do some shilling (tipping as VR says) have you ever read one of your own positive reviews? Same thing.
I see no problem with paying homage to a particularly good provider. The issue seems (at least to me) to be when the same hobbyists CONSTANTLY give love to the same provider over and over and over again (pun intended).
I am partial to an indy or two and I have my favorite agency. If you read my reviews, it's not hard to figure out which one it is. However, I do not feel the need to blast the horn every time this agency sends a visitor.
If you want to share on the board about somebody, go ahead (I did a few posts down). Just keep it in check and let others do the research for themselves. Besides, half the fun of the research is in reading some of the better reviews anyway!
I have been hobbying for more than a year. Ashley Taylor told me about TER, so I joined and lurked. I learned from everyones' posts and reviews and saw many well recommended providers as a result. It is no accident that the great majority of my posts and reviews are complementary, it is because of all of you. I am happy to share my feelings about these extraordinary women in return, after all, this is their living. I feel that VR has it absolutely right. BTW, I have never asked or received a discount or other special favor from any provider, I am happy to enjoy them on their terms.
Al
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I am one of those who was roundly attacked on the DC board as a shill for putting up my views on Ashley Taylor. THe reason I object has to do with the definition of shill--as well as the view of some of our cynical friends. A shill is compensated for leading someone to get fleeced.
I receive no compensation for giving my positive views about Ashley or Jill, or any other provider I favor. There are some who use the term "shill" sloppily; and there are others who truly believe that no one would say nice things about a provider without compensation.
Frankly, even though I object, I do feel sorry for them. They have let cynicism make it impossible for them to believe anything.
the frequency of your posts vis-a-vis AT and BDJ have others wondering about possible ulterior motives.
If you are truly just "saying something nice," then great. Just ease off on the zealousness for the aforementioned two and I am sure people will begin to leave you alone.
Keep in mind that people will give credibility fairly easily. However, once it is damaged, it takes a long time to rebuild.
Just my .02
That my posts in support of a particular provider has led him astray. As VR says, I suppose I would be better off not saying nice things about the providers I favor so that they will have more time for me. But I want the TER world to enjoy what I enjoy.
By the way, if you do a search for the top providers in NY in terms of looks and performance with a significant number of reviews (I chose 50 reviews for my search) you will find AT and Jill on that (short) list. True, others could do the search without my telling them about my favorites, but why deny them the information?
No arguments that Jill and AT have great reviews. I have read many of them and the touting of AT got me to try her too (see my review).
The issue is not whether the providers are worthy of praise. The issue is more that some hobbyists can't seem to stop crowing about said providers. We all appreciate a sharing of knowledge. It may behoove you, however, to reduce the volume and frequency of the crowing.
I am sure that most New Yorkers would probably kill a rooster if it landed on the fire escape outside their window even if we know that we have to wake up in the morning!
Why complain about my crowing? Your decision to try her out is exactly why I crow.
If you read my review, I gave her decent numbers for her effort, but I was disapointed. All that crowing led me to have too high expectations for the session. Ashley gave good service, but I expected much more. This might have been a case of "lemmings to the sea." Perhaps if there wasn't so much "I love Ashley Taylor" floating around the board at the time, I would have chosen to see her out of my own desire instead of drummed up curiosity and would have given her a fairer shake. In my case, all the crowing got her my cash, so she profited in that reagard, however as a regular hobbyist, I won't see her again.
As with anything at hand, no provider can please all the people all of the time. It will never happen. None of us know what you look like. If you smell. If you are groomed down below. Please don't take that the wrong way. The only thing I am trying to say is that with reviews they go as far as the reviewer. We can see a picture of the provider, but we can't see a picture of the reviewer. Going through your reviews you give low marks for the most part. This either means you are a tough grader or you just don't have the same sessions that the rest of us have for one reason or another.
If you can't give a provider a fair shake because of what is written on the boards, then you should stop reading the boards.
I never understood what guys meant when they said they expected much more. What do you expect from a provider? Do you want them to stand on their heads as they BBBJ you? It's never going to happen. I firmly believe that as a hobbyist we control how our sessions go by our attitude and hygiene. Sure, some providers are better than others but in the end we control our own sessions.
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I am actually a bit surprised that you call me a tough grader. I tend to follow TER rules. If the provider doesn't offer Greek minus 1. If no bbbj, -1. I happen to think that 8 is a very good score (It does say "went the extra mile") I tend to take the reviews seriously. If she didn't make me "forget it was a service," I don't give her a 9. My last experience got a 9/9 from me. She would have gotten a 10, but as per the rules, she doesn't offer Greek. The ladies reaction to me has been typically strong. I am always well groomed, timely, considerate and generally like to laugh a lot. So, up to now, providers have generally liked me and a few have recommeded that I see them again and/or also their friend. I am confident that my preparation or attitude is not a problem.
As for the rest of your post, realize EB, when extraordinary adulations come from well respected posters, such as yourself, people give them a lot of weight.
This is not an attack, but you are a perfect example of a poster that this discussion is about. You are an avid AT and BDJ fan. I have no problem with that. However, I would guess that one week doesn't go by in which you are not adulating about one or the other. Let it go!
Many people, including myself, value your contributions to this board. It would not be the same without you. Just tone down the over effusive love fest.
Lastly, as to my usage of what is written on the boards, I will say that it has been a learning experience. I give more weight to a lady's reviews then what is said on the boards. I also follow my gut more.
Listen to me...and listen to me very closely!
You are not going to tell me who I can post and who I can't post about! Let's get that straight! If you don't like my posts, then skip them. As Thirsty always says you have his permission to skip a thread if you don't like the poster or the topic at hand.
If I want to post about AT....I will
If I want to post about Sexy Toni....I will
If I want to post about Taylor James....I will
If I want to post about BDJ....I will
If I want to post about NY Jewels....I will
Nobody will ever dictate who I post about.
I saw a post you made a few days ago where you were afraid to mention who the asian provider was because you were afraid of being called a shill. Your post defeated the entire purpose of TER. What next? Guys are going to start saying they visited a hot brunette and not name her. Why don't we all just make generalizations on the boards?
As far as providers telling you to come back and see them, what else do you expect? What else are they going to tell you? They want your money every time they are in town. As far as recommending their friends - they only do that because if they aren't going to take your money they would rather have someone they know take your money rather than a complete stranger. I hope you are not one of the guys who thinks that providers ask you to return because they like you. They ask you to return because you are another $300 in their wallet for the week. This is a job for them. It has nothing to do with who they like or dislike. If you don't understand that, then the hobby has beyond jaded you.
I'm not sure what got your panties all in a bunch, I said what I said with as much deference as I could under the circumstances.
As to the Asian provider, I didn't avoid saying the provider's name because I wa "afraid" of anything. Several people have bc'ed me and I was happy to share the information. I just didn't cream my pants on the board about her over and over and over again. I creamed my pants in the review.
You can be as angry as you want to be and make as many subtle attacks as you want, but I will not back down from my opinion, just as you won't from yours.
The board is here for an exchange of ideas. I don't claim to have more knowledge, experience or anything else than you, I am simply echoing what others have said as well.
There is truth to what I said. If you don't like that, I am sorry. I have no desire to make any enemies on this board, but I stand by my statements.
The difference between you and me is that I could give a crap about what your opinion of me is.
What is the purpose of "creaming your pants" about a provider on the boards when you won't even say who it is? It makes no sense.
Much like your Uncle Jesse posts that you made. If you don't think that all of us knew that was you then you have another thing coming. If you want to talk about backchannel, you are one of the most ridiculed posters because of some of the comments that you made under that handle.
The whole Uncle Jesse thing was a direct response to the ASININE rantings of Aunt Jemima and that ilk. I didn't try to hide. I used my handle at the end of that thread to show that I was not afraid of the commentary.
If I was ridiculed because of that thread, then it just goes to show the stupidity of those ridiculing me. I was making inflamatory statements to show how negative and hurtful the Aunt Jemima comments were. If you didn't see that and participated in the ridiculing of me, then I am sorry for you, and you don't deserve the respect that I and others have given you.
As for what makes "sense," for those who were intereseted in who I saw, I shared that info. If they weren't interested, then they didn't need to read me shouting it from the rooftops.
Up until your last two posts EB, I thought this was a relatively tame exchange of ideas. It is unfortunate that you are unable to restrain yourself and need to go into purile personal attacks. Your behavior here is eye-opening.
And, just for the record, I don't give a shit about your opinion of me either.
posters on any of the boards. I do not share you tendency of publicly naming my favorites, but doing so is your right. People that do not like it can ignore your information and not utilize the ladies, if they so desire. I honestly do not see what their concern is.
of the better records in the AL. If that continues, Shilling will only have to pitch well in October as far as I am concerned.
There's more shilling done in the name of AT than all other providers combined. Maybe an exaggeration. But not by much. Bet she even gets sick of it. I'm sure they're not getting compensated. She would go broke.
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thirsty
-- Modified on 4/24/2005 8:35:52 PM
you could clarify the matter by giving us your thoughts on what is the definition of the word.
I don't really want to parse meanings. It's just
that he was trying to nitpick his way out of what
he is doing.
However you slice it or whatever you call it,
the posts by Kornlover and his ilk have no place
on TER.
Why do you have to attack me by name from behind an alias? Pusillanimy?
How about "the posts by Kornlover and his ilk have no place on TER"? If I made a mistake in taking that statement personally, I apologize to you--whoever you may be.
It made your post look like a concerted effort.
And the reason many NY TER users are so vigilant
about this kind of stuff is because of what
happened here with NY Confi. Remember them?
And remember the vehement denials by the same
posters that what they said was the god's honest
truth?
The BDJ shills are what I was referring to. Not
sure if you're one of them but it sure looks like
it. Hope it's not true.
I don't understand what the reference is to NY Confidential. I have been writing reviews for a couple of years, I use my own name--I don't hide behind aliases-- I am upfront about what I like and don't like. If you are comparing me to Jason of NYConfi you should be ashamed of yourself.
I also plead not guilty to the charge of being a shill for BDJ. I have written a number of reviews of BDJ girls, and I have generally been satisfied. I make no bones about the fact that my ATFs are Jill of BDJ and Ashley Taylor who no longer works there.
Man, you are like a broken record. Ashley Taylor, Jill, your favorites? No shit! Would have never guessed....
The last few messages led me to believe this.
You make the call.
That is strong evidence and would I would love to hear what Vinnie has to say!
I don't understand why someone using an alias--and an alias to attack others--should make a big deal out of his attempt to unveil another alias. I have always been against using aliases on the board except in the most extraordinary circumstances--and never to attack another poster. Mr Info's attacks on me and Vinnie only add to my resolve on this issue.
A) Don't know Mr. Info. Never met him. Never PM'ed him, etc.
B) Did I slam you Vinnie? All I said was "Is that who that is? Who woulda thunk it?" In what world is that a slam? The only person that I commented on directly was "THE LEGENDARY JILL'S SLAVE." Whereas that is your alias, I commented on that alias as an over the top SHILL. To my knowledge, Mr. Info doesn't shill, he gives info. I have no problem with Vinnie, just JILL'S SLAVE.
He sounded like someone else. And yes truth be told, yes I am TLJS. Just something cute that was thought up. The record will reflect I never bashed anyone under that alias. Just harmless banter. And all I give is info also. Now as we all know too well, all info on this board is debateable and hell while I am at it, fictional for creative writing purposes only
Mr. Info is. On that note, I will consider this issue dead. I think that we have beaten this issue to a bloody pulp, don't you
Besides, I'd hate to get on the bad side of anybody called Vinnie Vegas. A guy like that could have "friends" that I wouldn't want as enemies
No one is accusing you of bashing anyone. We are
just sick of your shilling.
I'm curious as to why you would post on the DC board other than to ask for information about a DC provider visiting the NY area. I agree with Von Ryan. It is one thing to provide a "tip" to other hobbyists about a particular visiting provider, even one with reviews. It is appreciated because it is often difficult to keep track of who might be visiting. However if a well reviewed provider has a post on another board it would seem unnecessary to someone from NY to post a "love note" about her.
I will often ask a visiting provider if she has any free time for additional appointments, and if she does I will ask her if she minds my posting a "tip" on the NY board. I view that as a service to the rest of us.
I think that we all can see the value in that type of post. The reviews take a few days to get approved, and this type of tip could be very helpful.
The craziness begins when the aliases such as "The Legendary Jill's Slave" and the like come out. Enough Already!
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Respectfully, you should also consider that such posts are not always welcomed by providers. Not to pick on you specifically Korn but when enthusiastic hobbyists reply to an ATF provider/agency everytime they post their schedule/ad, it can look like the provider/agency is encouraging these posts.
I personally experienced this on the Boston board in the past. Everytime I posted something that was not admin related, a handful of providers would post "We love you thirsty!" type messages. I finally had to ask them to stop, explaining that I felt it looked as though I was encouraging these posts. There are providers who feel the same way when enthusiastic supporters reply to everything that they post. In fact, I always advise agencies/indies to never publicly acknowedge these follow up "we love you" type posts because a thank you reply makes it appear that these posts were solicited or at least encouraged.
thirsty
put a towel over their heads, LOL
Does that make me the anti-shill?
Man I never realized how complex you New Yorkers are. Holy shit why don't you all go take a pill and get some rest.
Next thing you know Mr. Info will unmask Batman. Oh, that would be Bruce Gordon. Never mind.
Oh yeah, I almost forgot, the Yankees Suck!
-- Modified on 4/24/2005 8:29:53 PM
...and we know what Jeter does! It says so on the back of the tee shirt.
thirsty
and to think I was just warming up to you. lol
Red Sox Suck !!!