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So currently I work in the medical field. I went back to school in my mid 30's for that and I work as a new XRAY/CT tech. To get through xray school, I did phone sex work, lol. No cams or OF. Keep in mind, I did play a much younger girl on the phones, lol. I'm seriously considering taking a part-time massage program, I'd like to be certified. The cost would be about $9K. I'd specialize in Swedish AND Shiatsu. I would never go to clients houses or locations. Honestly, I love the idea of having a small spa space. Making it cute, relaxing, and comforting, actual spa level stuff. No full service. No BJ. No fingers in me. No mouth anywhere on me. I think I'd be OK down to a thong. I'm OK with fondling on me (not sure of the term). I'd basically love to give a great full body massage, and would love to give a really good sexy hand job, maybe some dirty talk. I'm a petite brunette but I have some "key hole anchor scars" from a breast lift (no implants) and a tummy tuck scar (I lost a lot of weight). I can see around a $400 price point. I can't see doing less than that. I'd be happy with a 2-5 clients a week. It would be tough to imagine more than that, honestly. I'd be on the westside of LA. Is there a market for me? Is this unrealistic? I look like a girl next door, no play boy bunny here. No tats. I'm extremely personable. Just be real with it, lol. Am I too up there in age to consider something like this for it to be feasible?-- Modified on 7/23/2024 2:14:54 PM
My opinion is that for a massage with HJ 400 is on the high side. I've gotten a massage with BBBJ (no FS) for 320 for 90 minutes, and while there was no kissing, DATY was allowed.
20 Kgirl incalls where customers can get covered full service for $350-$400/hr, including BBBJ, DATY, DFK, and sometimes FIV, PLUS a massage to finish off the balance of the time on the clock, all from a slender Asian girl who is in her late 30's that can pass for 20's. An outgoing personality is not going to make up for the difference in the service menu. Sorry to be so blunt, but you are better off to know what you have to overcome before you spend the nine grand on the school. Just keeping it real. Good luck to you whatever you decide to do.
CDL knows the LA area so I'll ask this Q (as a suggestion). In NYC, some of the KMPs and AMPs will occasionally have a non-K, non-A girl on staff. (Portia was an English - Caribbean girl who came to the US around 2009 and got her start in a NYC KMP. http://www.theeroticreview.com/reviews/isabella-portia-porsche-9175456749-183833 ). It was mutually beneficial for her AND the KMP. It would require providing full service, but if you were allowed to spend some time working in a KMP you would really see what you were up against.
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CDL: would a KMP allow a "massage only, HE" girl to work there, to bring in the "shy" clients? Obviously, she wouldn't command FS pricing, but it might actually bring in some new customers to work their way up from massage to FS.
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mrfisher is an expert on "massage" spas in the Boston area. I don't think that 400 would work in Boston, either. Other massage spas (from urban areas to the strip mall spas) often start in the $50 to $100 "house fee" and the customer then works out more details in the room / on the table with the masseuse.
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Ah! CDL: Are there massage spas (not FS KMPs) in the LA area where the OP can find work that doesn't REQUIRE full service but maybe only HE?
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And don't forget that many places advertise "body rub" or similar if the laws in that area require a LICENSE or CERTIFICATE to advertise "Massage" of any sort.
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Good luck!
20 Kgirl incalls where customers can get covered full service for $350-$400/hr, including BBBJ, DATY, DFK, and sometimes FIV, PLUS a massage to finish off the balance of the time on the clock, all from a slender Asian girl who is in her late 30's that can pass for 20's. An outgoing personality is not going to make up for the difference in the service menu. Sorry to be so blunt, but you are better off to know what you have to overcome before you spend the nine grand on the school. Just keeping it real. Good luck to you whatever you decide to do.
"KMP" for Korean massage parlor is not really used. In fact the original term of AMP (Asian MP) was used and were usually storefront massage shops with extras for an upsell. When the Kgirl scene hit here in the '90's, Kgirls were distinguished by the term AAMP (Asian Apartment Massage Parlor), and this term is rarely used anymore because Kgirl incalls (which is now the most common term) usually have mostly sex and very little massage work going on. As a result, the only Koreans working in AMP's are old, fat and/or ugly, because they are working for peanuts compared to when they were younger and doing full service (that's not to say you can't still get full service if you can keep an erection when confronted with old, fat and/or ugly. Lol). If they are still attractive enough for the full-service market, that is where they will be. Consequently, most AMP's are now staffed by Vietnamese, Chinese, sometimes Thai, and more recently (due to open boarders) young Latina girls. Japanese girls tend to work at the Korean incalls.
On the question of whether they will hire non-FS workers, they usually would, if there are openings, but these girls tend to either start offering a fuller menu or leave and go somewhere where it is massage only, where they make an average of $30 per hour, plus tip. Happy ending places will charge an entry fee, and as you say, the girl makes her own deal for what she will provide to the customer and for how much. If it's only a massage and a handy, then you're looking at $50-60 plus the $40-60 you gave the house. Never met a CMT that would work for these kinds of rates.
The best option for a CMT is to work at a spa in a luxury hotel. I don't even consent to a free massage to run out the clock with a provider. If I want a massage, I will go to one of the top spas and see a CMT. I am a regular at the Ritz Carlton in downtown LA, and at the Laguna Cliffs hotel near my home in OC, which is my favorite hotel spa. Another good one is the Aarna Spa at Pasea hotel in Huntington Beach. At these places the average rate is $250-300 per hour, but I have never asked any of the ladies what the split is. However, these places add 18-20% gratuity when you pay, but I'm allowed to tip more if I want to. I'm guessing these ladies can make $125-200 per hour, maybe more, which is nowhere close to $400. There is no sex of any kind, strictly massage, but many CMT's will be prebooked for five or six customers a day, so if you look at it that way, it can be a substantial weekly income for a personal services job.
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$400 may be considered on the high end, but it's not out of the question. I have seen some in the $500-$700 range. It depends how you market it. I have seen hot young ladies who offer a massage and happy ending, with mutual touching, for $250. The common theme, they don't really know lick about giving a massage. They are not trained. With ladies like this, you are paying for them to touch you, you touch them, and a HJ. It's not really a mssage.
If you are legit trained and can give a good massage, you are worth more than them. It's pretty simple to understand. If I want a real massage, I choose a lady like you. If I want just touching and a HJ, I pay less and don't go to you. So, you would need to market what sets you apart well.
And ignore the kgirls who charge that amount for full service. They are not the competition for massages with a HJ and mutual touching. Some guys just want a massage and get turned on by it, and being able to touch you and get a HJ at the end works for them.
The hardest part may be building your client base. Since you will be compared to those with less massage skills, you may want to think how you will market and grab clients, at least in the beginning. Maybe offer a first time discount for new clients?
As for your age, it depends how you look for your age. Men who hobby tend to be more older (40+) than younger, so you being 40 is not necessarily a deterrent. Some may even prefer it because they find younger ladies not mature enough for their liking. But it probably is a smaller market. In LA, smaller market still might be enough though.
In the end, the only sure way you will know is if you test the waters. But 2-5 clients a week seems doable.
......with the going shop rate averaging $40/hhr house fee plus $60 to $80 tip for an HJ or $120 to $160 for FS. At $400 you'll likely price yourself out of the current market.
Those are not trained massage therapists. Someone trained charges $120-$150 just for a standard massage.
AMP's in the area aren't typically getting customers looking for a real CMT or a real massage. They are getting customers looking for a halfway decent massage and a great HJ (or FS) at the prices that I quoted. If a provider wants to offer a CMT level massage with a HJ and a limited menu like the one the OP listed here at the price she mentioned, she's better off going the Indy FBSM provider route rather than working out of a shop.
100% agree she’s best working indy. I thought that was the only option she was considering. If a guy just wants a weak massage and a rub off, you’re right he can get that cheap. I don’t think she can build a large client base, but if she’s aiming for 2-5 a week like she says, and she’s good at what she does, it’s possible.
In general ("East Coast, West Coast, all around the states. The tarts sing Ring-a-Rosie, London Bridge is falling down. ...") I agree with you that Licensed or Certified massage costs more than a simple "body rub."
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I'm thinking that the OP can get a better idea of the LA markets BEFORE she plunks down $9k to get certified / licensed ... and don't forget the annual permits and license fees:
http://publichealth.lacounty.gov/eh/business/massage-establishments.htm
http://publichealth.lacounty.gov/eh/docs/permit/new-requirements-massage-businesses.pdf ).
http://www.camtc.org/camtc-fee-schedule/
Hmm ... http://mblexguide.com/massage-license/california/ CA DOESN'T REQUIRE LICENSING!!
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The OP can test out the LA market by providing LEGAL "body rubs" at a spa or "massage" parlor. For one thing, she might find out that she can't stand massaging hairy, flabby bags of Pillsbury biscuit dough or Michelin Man fat rolls or the Stay Puft Marshmallow Man!
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Can some of the LA guys provide more advice on the local "body rub" places? If she is uncomfortable working at an LA spa for privacy reasons (not wanting to meet a co-worker or friend or relative there), what other city is convenient for a test run working only one or two days per week? San Diego? Las Vegas? Phoenix? ...? She should have a much better knowledge of the biz by talking to the boss ("How much is slip and fall insurance?") and the customers ("I know you're only spending $200 today, but would you pay me $400 for the same but BETTER service?") after just a few weeks.
Those are not trained massage therapists. Someone trained charges $120-$150 just for a standard massage.
East side, West side
All around the town
The tots sang 'Ring-a-Rosie'
'London Bridge is falling down!
Boys and girls together
Me and Mamie O'Rorke
We Tripped the light fantastic
On the sidewalks of New York.
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May find something there. But $400 is gonna be off the table for most. Even if it's an amazing massage.
In the valley a one hour topless massage with body rub by a fairly hot 25 year old is in the $250-300 range. Many offer the fully nude, bbbj and FS upsell for $100 to $400. Search reviews and you will see 2 or 3 places where these services are offered with 5-10 girls rotating through. For $400-500 you can get the full service upsell with hot girls. With no upsells you better be young and hot, and even then your base price would have to be $250 to generate interest. Sorry but it doesn’t look like a match for you. You could try part timing at a place like I describe to see how it goes, but you would have to work under their price and sharing structure. I think these girls make their money on the upsell, not the base massage with HJ.
These are not licensed massage therapists. The guys going to them care less about the massage and more about the extras. A good massage therapist is getting $150-$200 for a fully clothed standard massage. If she targets clients who want a legit massage with extras, there is an audience for it.
Hello Larissa,
First off, I am never the once to price shame anyone. You can charge whatever people see value in. You are welcome to charge whatever you would like your biggest thing will be what makes you different from everyone else. I have massage offerings from 300 Hour to 1000 for 90 mins. They are both vastly different types of massages. What you are describing, I currently charge 300 for that type of massage and Its body to body. When I started doing massage I was charging 150 hour. As my experience grew into what made a great massage appointment my rates changed. It can all be done. You will just have to put in a lot of thought into the client experience. I highly recommend doing market research in your area. This will gage if your rate structure is on par with everyone else. Being licensed gives you an edge on the actual massage, it doesn't necessarily make you the best provider.
There are some massage specialties that demand higher rates. Some are a costly investment to learn. Its never too late to start now before you finish school to see if this is right for you. As it would suck for you to make the investment and not see a return.
Happy Rubs,
Andrea Davis
The reality is that race plays a signicant factor in market value. That said, $400 an hour seems to be a high rate for what you’re offering regardless of race. The pricing hierarchy for happy ending massages seems to go high to low (White, Latina, Asian, Black). Don’t forget that therapists almost always get tipped on top of their rates.
I can’t see justifying a $9K education investment for a part time venture. Consider becoming a tantric massage therapist? I did a quick search of Craigslist LA and found this website. Contact them and get their rate for tantric therapy? Go in for a session and find out in person?
http://findingeden.info
Also off LA Craigslist here’s a woman offering Tantric massage for $250
http://losangeles.craigslist.org/sfv/hws/d/woodland-hills-elenas-therapeutic-body/7768890348.html
Here’s the page I found these ads on:
http://losangeles.craigslist.org/search/hws#search=1~thumb~0~14
In the DC area, I’ve paid $250 for a Tantric massage with a hot Brazilian. That could be a starting rate and don’t forget therapists also get tips.
I’ve paid $100 for a massage from a late 30s Argentinian who upgraded to nude with DATY for another hundred.
These are independents who advertise at
http://www.dmvlatinamassage.com/virginia-providers/
You could get some price points by contacting those women and asking their rates.
Finally, you could search Twitter for FBSM and learn more about the market that way. I searched Sensual, Massage, Chicago and found this hottie (don’t know how old the pics are) charging $300.
http://x.com/chicago_sensual?s=21&t=F6x4gTNnN4VdiYFZ54gjIA
Here’s another one charging $250 for FBSM and $275 for Mutual FBSM with DATY.
http://x.com/chicago_sunrise?s=21&t=F6x4gTNnN4VdiYFZ54gjIA
Keep us posted on your progress!
You are not wrong about race, unfortunately. It shouldn't be this way, and I feel bad for those who deserve to be equals and get less. But facts are facts. Not only is it race though, but body type. Age too. Breast size. There are numerous factors that determine what you can charge. It needs to be a realistic comparison to what she looks like.
I would not touch anyone who advertisies on Craigslist with a 10 foot poll. It is a resource, and some will, but I would argue you only price compare to Craigslist if that is where you plan to advertise. (If you advertise elsewhere AND Craigslist, that's different.)
I personally would focus on higher end advertising. Having her own web page ads value. People tend to take them more seriously. Then, I would also advertise on a place like Tryst. Ladies on Tryst who offer professional massages with extras are getting $400+ in some cases. But there are cheaper as well. She should look at them and see how what she will offer, and how she looks, compares. But it has to be compared to the LA market. Chicago is cheaper, so I wouldn't call that apples for apples.
i have been seeing both FS and FBSM ladies on the west side for nearly 30 years .. cough wheeze gasp LOL
to be candid and honest with you .. if you are just " a girl next door " look and offering simple massage and HJ finish clothed or even just topless .. $250 would be top dollar .. the west side of LA is flooded with hot girls of all types , races , and offerings.
check out the massage page on thatmall website. few are over 250
for $400 you would have to offer something special .. ie milking table or Nuru etc. yes there are guys that will pay $400 for a simple massage but it will be tough to find them and not likely repeat if nothing extra is even available.
this isn't meant to be a personal reflection on you just realistic
thatmall? Maybe that's why you posted about ladies having poor handjob skills. lol
FYI i have experienced poor HJ skills from $700 ladies ... i think simply most guys pop with little effort and/or just thrilled to have it at all and thus there is little motivation for the ladies to improve.
but ladies that understand the magic of skilled HJ technique get repeat clients 
I hope you got more than a HJ from the $700 lady. And of course price does not predict skill. There are those good and bad at what they do in all ranges of costs. My comment was more about thatmall. IMO, it's a step above Craigslist or Backpage as a reliable place to get providers. I would sooner pay more than roll the dice with a random from that site. Therefore, I don't see it as the best source in comparing rates, unless that's where a provider plans to advertise.
Why invest in CMT certification if you’re offering erotic, sensual body rubs with happy endings? It’s a waste of $ unless you’re working in a high end luxury hotel, or resort that never offers sexual services. I know there’s a market for over 40 + lots of men prefer older & experienced women. Post ad on the LA board and start booking dates. Just be honest, and accurate about what you offer, and you will attract clients that you’re seeking. Best of luck!
Not that we need to know, but it's not clear whether you're considering this to test the waters for a career switch, have a little fun and get a little pocket change, etc. Seems your ultimate goal might affect your decisions about whether and how to pursue this.
As for your proposal, I think you may have a difficult time getting traction. That's a lot of kale for a rub and tug based on what I've seen of the LA market. I currently patronize a house that offers lots of cute girls and the base starts at 200. By the time you get to 400, there's lots of extras such as DATY, BJs and even FS, depending on the girl.
I know of one house that offers tantra around that price, with lots of breathing and esoterica, but even that place includes lots of body-to-body contact and some mutual touching.
I suppose you never know until you try. Good luck either way.
(Not a reply to helixir, but posting here ...)
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I repeat myself, but CA does NOT require Licensing or Certification in order to advertise and practice massage. Certification is voluntary: http://www.camtc.org/camtc-fee-schedule/
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I take that to mean that, in CA, massage performance is more important to success than a piece of paper. If you can acquire skills from youtubes and books, and improve them by working at a spa, then you don't need to shell out the $9k and you can still practice in CA.
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I repeat myself, but if you begin working at a spa, you can find out from your clients whether or not they think your skills are ready for Prime Time (and prime rates!). (According to posts by LA locals, the prime rates are paid at the upscale legit -- no rub and tug -- spas.)
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Good luck!
Uh oh! Danger!
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Several Massage Robots are being sold now:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zeiZL222WS4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FjMsCWhKcM0
Aescape, $120 / hour
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v7bSeMiNeEc
Massage Robotics (So Cal)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=astO4W97a94
Massage Robotics; Adamo; Iyu; Kuka
And many more youtubes.
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*** The company that can add a self-cleaning "Happy Ending" attachment could surge to take over the market! ***
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I predict an acquisition of or merger with an existing porn related masturbator company. 
TER search / massage only / clothed or topless / in los angeles / all ages -- average donation 180 to 250
I am your market
I am older white male who likes the service you present and 400 is high for one hour
It’s ok for 90 minutes if the incall is nice
Good luck
Not sure about the LA area but I am in the Midwest and i currently see a few masssage providers and also see regular massage therapist too. One of the ladies I see sounds similar to what you are describing. She is in her 40s, nice enhanced breasts, good body, gives a very nice deep tissue massage, topless, with light mutual touching and a really nice teasing HJ. She charges 200. I see a few other girls who are similar, but also offer non GFE FS for 300. And I would bet that most guys who would want this service do not really care if you are certified or not.
is around a $200 price point. Sorry, unrealistic.