...I am very selective about the ladies I see and won't even consider using an AMP or any lady without to whom Englis is obviously the second language and they have a poor commaand of it (I assume they are a recent (illegal?) emigree, may have been coerced to some degree, and may not have any understanding how to get out of her situation, and she is more afraid of being sent home than of turning tricks).
Without a doubt, there is an ugly side to this business. Using TER and some common sense and discretion can help you avoid being part of it.
By the way, the news story that started this thread leaves a lot of questions to be answered. In this day and age, I don't see how a husband 'forces' his wife to do ANYTHING, much less turn tricks. One call to 911 will usually result in a Domestic Violence arrest even for THREATENING the spouse (depending on the state). There is more to that story than we have been told. Regardless, its ugly.
MVR
Body of post removed by mod as it was a copy and paste of the linked article.
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There are tiers of hobbyists using TER. Some are vigilant about avoiding trafflicked invididuals, others are not. There is one truth, since you mentioned truth, hobbying will not go away. If you are an individual that is concerned about human trafflicking, you will make more progress controlling the problem working with provider review sites and escort malls than you will make working to shut them down or eliminate them. By directing your efforts constructively, you will make progress toward making hobby transactions ones between consenting adults. If you choose a moralist path, you will fail and have no meaningful impact.
The fact they are "thinking" about possibly bringing criminal charges against her is more disturbing. It sends a wrong message to ladies who are enslaved and decide to get away from this by running to what they think is a safe haven (Law enforcement)
I share your outrage at this and other appalling accounts of trafficking and forced prostitution, but I think, from what LG and other experienced observers have written, that the vast majority of TER providers are participating voluntarily and are not forced into the business.
Some years ago I encountered an instance of what I thought might be trafficking, a situation serious enough but mild compared to the account the OP posted. I persuaded the woman to contact Polaris and after an ordeal they won a visa for her, not on the grounds of trafficking but spousal abuse. I've lost trackof her and she moved to another city, but I know she's OK, although not exactly happy -- a poor immigrant woman with three bright, lovely kids who still don't have legal status, and who found only partial protection from our antiquated immigration policies.
What is needed is de-criminalization of all adult consensual behavior, and an increase of funds and resources devoted to tracking down and prosecuting traffickers and enslavers, and support for victims, including better access to jobs. Some of these funds could come by diverting funds from fruitless efforts of vice squads to track down and prosecute adults engaged in consensual behavior.
I am agnostic for a reason!
As for the rest of this story, if this is true, he is a piece of shit that should someone else's bitch for the next twenty years in the poke.
I have to confess, I was not surprised.
With any luck, this piece of shit will have the opportunity to share his wife's misfortune. Even murderers and drug dealers have standards. He will be well received in prison, of course he'll be the one doing the "receiving" lol
along with weapons and drugs.
As far as I am concerned the people who perpetrate this crime are the lowest of the low.
That being said, when you see a story about "Trafficking" in the papers locally, you will often see a prostitution related bust following on.
In many of these cases there does not appear to be any trafficking involved. Rather the terminology is used as a way of further demonizing providing.
Most of the real trafficking busts in this part of the US tend to be sweat shops and forced "indentured servitude" in households run by people from the countries from which the "servants" are procured.
(Hopefully this post isn't pulled, given I'm not posting anything personal about a particular provider.)
A post was pulled after it named the highly rated TER provider as being the one involved. And why not believe it was a reviewed provider? Look, there are soooo many providers on TER. TER is a major source for the hobby. Nobody can deny that TER is one of the best in the industry, meaning LOTS flock here. Of course with the vast popularity and use of TER in the hobby, there are bound to be providers with all sorts of issues on this board, including those with boyfriends/husbands/pimps who make them provide. It’s not that difficult to grasp that trafficking is not just a sweatshop thing. It's everywhere.
This situation just goes to show that you can never profile the reasons why a provider is in the hobby. Even if a provider tells you she is in it because she loves sex, you really don't know. She might post on the board about how much she loves her job, when in all actuality her SO makes her turn tricks.
This is an eye opener for those who think our direct communities are not affected by this issue. Unfortunately, they are.
I hope the provider involved in this issue is able to keep her child, recover mentally and move on ONE DAY.
I hope the perp in this case learns what it means to have his body violated day in and day out.
These cases are not all that uncommon but oddly, no one reports them. Being forced is plain bad. People want to turn a blind eye to the teen situation. It happens!
...I am very selective about the ladies I see and won't even consider using an AMP or any lady without to whom Englis is obviously the second language and they have a poor commaand of it (I assume they are a recent (illegal?) emigree, may have been coerced to some degree, and may not have any understanding how to get out of her situation, and she is more afraid of being sent home than of turning tricks).
Without a doubt, there is an ugly side to this business. Using TER and some common sense and discretion can help you avoid being part of it.
By the way, the news story that started this thread leaves a lot of questions to be answered. In this day and age, I don't see how a husband 'forces' his wife to do ANYTHING, much less turn tricks. One call to 911 will usually result in a Domestic Violence arrest even for THREATENING the spouse (depending on the state). There is more to that story than we have been told. Regardless, its ugly.
MVR
if you try to have sex with her more than annually!(and THEN only if she is "in the mood")
So, how the fuck does one go out and force her to have sex with others????¿
Sorry, not buying that story! She's either REALLY stoopid, or a quadruple amputee who can't do anything about it anywway....or both!
OK......Next sad story please!
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If you have a wife, and if you have a child, and you force your wife to have sex with you, she will, no doubt, choose not to file charges of rape against you if she and her child are predominately dependent on you financially. And/or, if you threaten to take the child away from her, or threaten to harm the child, and she believes that you could and would carry out your threat. And, where is the love and caring in this scenario? Just like the guy in the story didn't seem to care or love his family in putting them through what he put them through.
"wife rape", it doesn't matter about the money. If she is believable, she will end up with all of your fucking money anyway after the divorce (with abuse as grounds). Don't be stupid! The marrital laws, and divorce laws heavily favor the female in this country. Yes there are exceptions where no kids are involved, but for the most part there are more and more who find it's "cheaper to keep her", live with someone who is more like a bad room mate than a wife, and go hobby for their sexual desires.
Please don't hand me your usual mangina, crap about the poor, downtrodden women in this country, as it is total BS. As the saying goes "she's got the pussy, therefore she makes the rules"!
Save your "oh the poor women" crap for someone who buys into that theory! I Don't!
If I was in her shoes, his balls would be tied to a 50lb concrete block.
I don't know how shitty your relationship is, nor do I care. But, you've obviously had a bad marriage or experience with women. Honestly, you sound like a guy who is ready to explode and rape women....and call it pleasure. That's a far fetched statement, but RE-read what you wrote. It should be signed, Ted Bundy.
Totally unacceptable.
trying to confound the issue of my post with just some old tired line that you wield around quite frequently. We are talking about apples and oranges here. You are talking about divorce law, I'm talking about abuse, and using children as ransom in that abuse. Most of the women I'm talking about are too fearful to file assault or rape charges, and are still in the relationship, or have run into hiding, so they will never file for a divorce, and hence never see a dime from a divorce settlement. Or, they are dead, because their husbands have killed them. And, your argument doesn't even apply to the women who have been raped by their boyfriend.
explain how the two are totally related since you are incapable of seeing anything but what you want to. You also watch too much TV. You are talking about the sensationalized cases that get on the news. The worst of the worst. You also don't seem to know about people who only seem to able to survive in abusive relationships, and seem to equate that with love and caring, and refuse all help
Basically, you are too narrowminded to bother with anymore on this subject.
The problem is not that I have tunnel vision, but that you can't stay on topic, and you're too blind to see it. I hope you're not in a profession where you have to deal with reality, and use reason.
Have you ever heard of the cycle of abuse? Guilt?Even a psych 101 class explains this cycle.
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It happens every day, all around us, and has been happening for decades.
There are controlling, abusive men (and yes, some women as well) who manipulate and MAKE their SOs do anything they want.
Unfortunately, there's no law against THAT 
“One call to 911 will usually result in a Domestic Violence arrest even for THREATENING the spouse (depending on the state)”
Yes. A woman may be able to call the police and have her violent husband taken to jail---for about a minute. And, where do you think the first place he’s going to go, and the first thing he’s going to do when he gets out?
Do you suppose he might be pissed off after spending the night in the tank? You think he might be hell bent a really teaching his bitch wife a good lesson now?
Many women avoid calling the police for this very reason. And if she does call, she better damned well get herself and the kids to a safe place that he doesn’t know about before he posts bail; which, of course is just not always possible.
Another article I read on this POS indicated he was threatening his wife with removing her kids from her if she did not comply with his wishes. Hard to measure what a woman might do to keep her kids safe.
Some of you guys really do operate in a fantasy
children is threatened by one or the other member, especially when one member is physically and/or emotionally abusive. It's really a silent epidemic, if you can categorize behavior in disease terms. And, abused women can't imagine that there is any hope of safety for them and their children. And, often they can read about their worst fears realized, when a woman, in her same situation, gets a restraining order on the other partner, and she is murdered by him. Yep! Anyone who believes that this woman had any emotional, physical and financial freedom in order to make the best possible choices for her and her child, has not taken the opportunity to look at the soft underbelly of our society.
Some hobbyists prefer to operate in blindness whether than realize that their purchasing bahavior has an impact and does support enslavers. Moralist that are hellbent on eliminating the hobby are as blind in believing that they can remotely succeed.
I'm very limited in my observations, but I've seen K-girls coming and going freely (as in, on the public streets) from some AMPs in NYC. I see no indication that they are not there by choice, even if not by preferred choice but due to economic or other non-coercive circumstance. Some leave town for a while (vacation) and come back; some move across town to another AMP and it all seems to be for your typical petty reasons ("I don't like that mamasan." "My friends work here; it wasn't friendly at the other place." "Other place said I have to work weekends so I quit! Here, M-F only!")
and not only are they racist, but they are wrong.
I also find them very offensive, not to mention ignorant.
Prostitution is legal in almost the entire non muslim world, to assume that someone has been coerced just because their English is poor is as racist as refusing to see black providers because you have be told that they have pimps.
You have no idea idea how fucking offensive your comments are. I would suggest you get your facts together or just STFU.
First of all, race has nothing to do with it. The issue is that if she can't speak english, it raises doubt in my mind about her immigration status and that she may be illegal and forced into her situation. The color of her skin/ethnic background have nothing to do with it.
Lastly, I expressed my opinion. It is neither right nor wrong, it simply is my opinion. Just as you, Sir, are entitled to your differing opinion.
Have a nice day.
MVR
and YES, intended or not, it FUCKING RACIST, not to mention xenophobic.
Women are killing themselves trying to get into not only this country, but other countries as well to better their standard of living.
You don't make the slightest effort to learn a thing about the people that come to this country, yet you feel qualified to give advice to others.
Your opinion most definitely is wrong, and if you think it's not racist, try telling people to avoid seeing ebony providers because they are more likely to have a pimp and see what kind of reaction you'll get.
and if it sounds like I am pissed, it's because I am. I am sick and tired of ignorant views on this subject like yours being passed off as fact.