Started seeing K-girls this year and have gone for BBFS most of the time. Got to know a girl who's been working for 4 years pretty well recently so got to ask all the questions most people want to know. On the subject of STD's, she said the agencies she's worked with don't require anything and she gets tested herself every 3-4 months or so. What I haven't been able to follow up with is if she ever had anything etc. - It's hard to imagine it could possibly be avoided, but her answer would go a long way in how to gauge my risk calculation.

Personal experience?

...these so-called "K-orgs" are all pretty high volume. So this girl you know "well" gets tested every 3-4 months and during that time interval is probably seeing literally hundreds of guys.  

Good point - tho I have seen a few posts here and there where guys share their track record in this regard. There certainly no shortage of the practice so there is definitely data to be had, even if only anecdotal.
Logically, you would think it would be close to 100% with the numbers, but here I am for example, so I’m looking for other examples. I’m sure there are guys that also never popped dirty that would have no problem sharing their k body count etc

You will not win this game.

I do agree with SinCity's comment.

Thanks all, but none of you are what I’m asking for here - lol

the more likely the law of averages will catch up to you at some point.  I have seen over 800 Kgirls, and my first STD did not occur until around Kgirl 150.   However, I have a friend that caught one before he got to 10, so anything is possible.  You can also catch STD's from indies, but the rate of spread is lower because they are lower volume.  In some cases of a simple bacterial infection, it can take a few days before the girl is symptomatic, and that is where the risk is because she doesn't yet know she has it.  Kgirls are higher volume, so there is the risk that they could transmit the disease during the time they are ignorant that they are infectious.  

I stopped even trying to see K-girls a couple of years ago when BBFS became rampant. I was tempted just recently by a couple whose reviews said they did FS covered, but (probably for the best) didn't close the deal.

Agree 100%

No one’s a superhero, invincible to the scourge of STDs. Sooner or later, they’ll catch up with you—the only real question is whether it’s something that can be treated with a pill or something far more sinister.

lol. They can’t help it

What was your BBFS ratio on that first 150?

She mentioned when she first started workin in Dallas it was 10 appointments a day back to back which I understood to be her max volume. Currently she makes about 1k a day, which would be around 4-5 appointments max after the split etc

you know what the guy who jumped off the roof said as he passed the 6th floor ............. so far so good!  

Did you ask her if she's on Prep? I have a feeling that many of the bbfs KGirls are.

before 2018 BBFS was mostly UTR.  It was never put in reviews and the only time I was ever offered BBFS on the first appointment with a new girl was if I booked two hours out of the gate, which was not often.  (I had to have superior intel from my hobby bros who had already seen her to book than one hour with a girl I was seeing for the first time.)  However, I did repeat with at least 80% of the Kgirls I saw, and second or third appointment is where the BBFS usually kicked in for me, because ALL of my repeats are two hours, and still are.  Out of the 12-15 sessions I had every month, 6-8 were new girls, on average, the rest were repeats.  However, once I acquired BBFS from an individual girl, she remained on my "repeat" for up to a year, sometimes longer.  So, the only way I think of quantifying this for you if I HAD kept stats, which I didn't (but my routine of mixing new girls with repeats was as consistent as possible) would provide me with a reasonable guess of about 60% of the total girls I had sex with were BBFS, but more like 70-80% of the total hours of my sessions would have been BBFS.  This is because, as I said earlier, new girls are one-hour (which might be one and done if I don't repeat, while repeats are always two hours with me.  Hope this helps, but as you can see, there are many variables that can influence the numbers.  

I have no problem posting it here. I don't think I'm ever going to schedule a sesh with anyone using my ter handle anyway.
As George Constanza would say thats when worlds would collide.  

Naa man - I didn’t get the impression she would even know what that was. I thought she mentioned some kind of shot, but I think the Prep stuff is daily ingestion

Bingo - your story and the girls seeming disregard for the risk flies in the face of what you would expect. It almost seems like you are more likely to get something from a civie if you look at those stats. What’s in that soap they use in the shower!? Lol

getting a bacterial infection with CFS, it most often occurs during foreplay with "camel slides", where the woman gets on top and slides back and forth with your dick between her labia.  It feels a lot like BBFS.  This is usually done bare, but coincidentally how we knew in the UTR days whether a Kgirl might be open to BBFS on the next appointment.  It's not a sure thing, but women aren't stupid about transmissions either (except on Ferraris - lol) and they know that any P2P contact that exchanges fluids, even without penetration, could transmit the infection in either direction, so they are taking a risk, too.  

Herpes tests are notoriously unreliable with a high failure rate. Herpes isn't included in the standard "full panel" STD test, it is something you have to ask for and Doctors usually don't want to give it. Guidelines say you should only get tested if you have symptoms. Also, there are two types, HSV-1 and HSV-2. HSV-1 is not considered an STD and it is estimated that 2/3rds of the global population has HSV-1. Its not just porno clinics that don't test for it, its pretty standard medical practice to not test for it.

To be fair, I'd say that 1) stds come to kgirl community in waves and nowadays they are more common than before. Dude to both korg popularity exploding and also most orgs in the bay offering bbfs all-in included. Due to guys seeing same girls it can result in outbreaks of sort.  

Probably had about 20 bb experiences a few years back and lucky enough to not catch anything. After that mainly cfs and i play overseas too. Fortunately still clean.

Impressive - your like an K-girl Yoda! lol  

Curious how you would know this, or is it just an assumption?

When several people post (not here) about them getting the clap at the same timeand then a girl who doesn't take time off often suddenly takes a short vacation.  

stdcheck .. tests for herpes both types and plenty more  plus option to test for trichomoniasis ...and it can be anonymous if you wish .. sometimes i even pay with a Vanilla Visa Card

Yep, I use STDcheck.com and they give reports for both HSV1 and HSV2. Luckily I only tested positive for HSV1.

If the initial test is abnormal (alot of false positives etc with that one) There’s a secondary test that is pretty definitive.

That’s what I meant - thx

HSV-1 is an std which is why it is on the STD Panel Test administered by stdcheck.com.   I use stdcheck.com and fortunately have never tested positive for anything.  I have only done bbfs with 3 ladies over several years.  I would never do it without exchanging recent test results (less than 1 week).

I became exclusively BBFS the instant I figured out I could! That was back in the AMP heyday around 2000. So that’s going on 25 years unwrapped and never anything undesirable on the cock or in the blood. In the last decade I’ve seen only Asians at C-and K-orgs with help from social and other sources to validate sanity and sanitation.

Everyone be careful out there!

What is the validation process for you with K-Girls in the current market?

Sorry if this sounds overly simple, but…I ask. If a girl is feeling comfortable talking about it, score one big point. I ask about Covid, std’s and flue symptoms, experienced first or second hand, anywhere.

You can’t be having that conversation on the front end of a session - can you? If not, when do you have the opportunity to screen these girls as you describe?

Agree - and an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.  After a BBFS session, I use:

Syphilis and chlamydia and now Trich are rampant.   genital Herpes is 20% of all active people .. so that's 1 out of 5 and likely much higher amongst high volume agency girls.  

I have a theory that independent girls will be cleaner than civvy girls. Simple reason is that they get tested more frequently because if they catch something, it will directly impact their business. Civilians won't get tested unless they see or feel something, and even then oftentimes they won't be honest with the doctor about their sexual activities and so they get the drugs for a UTI or yeast infection. Clears the infection but then they just think it's not STD. Not standard to get tested at the annual obgyn appointment unless you tell the doctor there's a reason to. Many stds don't have any symptoms for a while.

Yes, tests are important but they are not the be all and end all. There is a latency period where testing won't show an infection and during that time said infection could be spread to a fairly large number of takers.  

It's a frequency thing though, most girls who I've talked to have told me they get tested every 3 months, one girl said every month. Granted it's a small sample size, but that's still going to be more frequent than once a year. One test might miss the latency or incubation period but 3 months later it will get caught. Civvy girl wouldn't catch it for another 12 months if she even gets tested at next obgyn. That's why I think girls in the business will be cleaner, generally speaking.

Yes, but they are have sex way more often, with exponentially more partners - not sure the testing frequency would compensate for that differential

on the next quarterly test, but by then, your typical Kgirl will have seen 100-150 different guys by then.   All but the worst providers will have seen 40+ customers if they provide decent service.  

you really think an Asian agency of girls under $300 regularly tests the ladies ..  like the agency would spend money on that !?!??!  

...She's like a hero of the hobby!  Lopaw, if you reading this...if we're ever in town at the same time, I'll gladly sponser if I get to watch and take part in some of it!  Mostly kidding but I'd make that deal in a heartbeat!

I suggested this several years ago, and she made it quite clear that there will be NO dicks in the room (literally as well as figuratively - lol) while she is enjoying a hot young Asian girl.  (We like the same kinds of girls.)

Is this an example of believing the beautiful lie over the ugly truth? I used to believe something similar but... now I am not so sure.

but that is true on both sides here.  

Hey snafu929

The bigger question is are you on that pill regiment to protect yourself for BBFS with these K-girls? How can you be sure the K-girls are taking the necessary precautions. An Asian girl telling you she gets checked out every 3 or 4 times a month after seeing 15 clients per day is not a flex. And let's be honest, waiting for those test results, especially the HIV test be a bitch. Even the rapid HIV test feels like the longest 15 minutes of your life. You immediately start regretting all of the girls you went in raw with. The worry and fear alone was enough for me to stop doing BBFS. Oh, and wait until a provider tells you she's pregnant and she thinks the kid might be yours. BBFS is all fun and games until reality sets in.

This kind of behavior without Prep is borderline suicidal imo.

Now they have resistant strains of gonorrhea and syphilis.

,,,,You are an absolute legend though, lol!

But what’s the difference between bbbj and DATY and bbfs? Can’t you catch std from bbbj and DATY, and yet that doesn’t seem to be an issue with most guys.  

P2P Camel slide to that too.
Brought it up a few times with no real responses.