TER General Board

Re: Price are declining
lester_prairie 12 Reviews 2819 reads
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1 / 42

Not sure when it happened but just noticed all their broadcast pm messages about the future course of P411 have been deleted. At least from my inbox. I assume that means what ever was said is no longer operative.

vorlon 119 Reviews 85 reads
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2 / 42

I had noticed that none of the changes they said were coming early this year had happened.  It would be great if P411 returned to BAU.

TennGambler 19 Reviews 78 reads
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3 / 42

I still have all my Admin messages in my inbox.

It is my impression however that the number providers using P411 is down significantly, maybe 20% from a year ago.

Also seems many ladies that do have profiles do not sign on nearly as often as in the past.

Still, P411 is a great site!

here4her 68 Reviews 61 reads
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4 / 42

"available now" just came back on line

Scaramouche 203 Reviews 74 reads
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5 / 42

This is the problem in the current environment .. they aren't accepting new ladies or men and the service is shrinking.
Fewer ladies, less choice, higher prices

TurbayVeronica See my TER Reviews 67 reads
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6 / 42
HaleyOrlando See my TER Reviews 65 reads
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7 / 42

I'm glad it's back and is a good sign of moving in the right direction. There were only 20 ladies available at that time but tonight over 100. I think things have been quiet all over and many of the sites are playing with placement spots on google.

Kisses Haley

alexissweet69 See my TER Reviews 64 reads
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8 / 42

Oh wow! I didn't realize "Available Now" is Back! That's Awesome!  :D I Love P411!

lester_prairie 12 Reviews 57 reads
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9 / 42

P411 clients can now send an invitation to non-p411 providers to reveal our p411 verification status.  

DT_lover 188 Reviews 75 reads
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10 / 42

This is a good thing.  The non-member views are intended for members to get verified from providers not in P411.   The non-member is not allowed to see the member P411 ID, which should be kept confidential.  Also, the invite expires the day of the intended appointment.

-- Modified on 3/22/2019 6:12:43 AM

Duplicitouslust 24 Reviews 73 reads
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11 / 42

But I dare say if you have it now, it certainly puts you ahead of the game.

PhillFree 60 reads
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12 / 42

I heard this rumor that the next feature on P411 will be a price negotiator feature similar to what Priceline has.

PhillFree 65 reads
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13 / 42

There are so many other sites that are filling voids now.  I have seen prices decline drastically and the $500+ ladies have had to reduce their rates.  I have seen two ladies that were once on the TER 100 national list reduce their rates to less than $400 ($350 in both cases).  I have also seen several ladies that were once $700 reduce their rates to $400-$500.  And there are a gazillion ladies in the $200-$300 range.  

impposter 49 Reviews 66 reads
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14 / 42

Hay! Some brilliant minds had proposed variable pricing via auction years ago!  Here's one such post, but there were others:
http://www.theeroticreview.com/discussion-boards/suggestion-and-policy-4/ter-bay-dutch-auctions-10098?page=

Kelsi See my TER Reviews 68 reads
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15 / 42

Hey I think the idea behind your link is great, impposter (see above link).  Applies only to those willing to participate... hurts no one who chooses not.

impposter 49 Reviews 57 reads
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16 / 42

I have MANY great ideas! TER should put me in charge!

Posted By: Kelsi
Re: Price Negotiator Feature
Hey I think the idea behind your link is great, impposter (see above link).  Applies only to those willing to participate... hurts no one who chooses not.

Drumguy25 23 Reviews 62 reads
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18 / 42

Completely opposite in my area! I've seen nothing but rate increases. Some 150-200 more on the hour. It got to the point where 411 became completely useless to me, as the providers were limited and far too rich for my tastes.

carguy111 33 Reviews 49 reads
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19 / 42

Agreed. Prices going up from my vantage point.

coeur-de-lion 400 Reviews 53 reads
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20 / 42

while you're stalking these girls?  "Following" hookers on twitter seems like a waste of a life, but what else would you be doing, right?  Lol

 
I don't need to follow anyone.  When I look down and see I have a boner, I just call a booker and ask for a girl in an hour.  Two hours later, I'm done and don't have to think about the girl anymore until my next boner.   I don't know why you have to make it so personal?  What could they possibly talk about that would be interesting to a customer?  Well, there are a few things that are informational.  If she said she was wearing clean panties today, you could pick her over someone else, unless clean is not your thing.  Lol

GaGambler 60 reads
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21 / 42

He was more known as a "Cuddler" than anything else from the best I can tell.

 
Here's what a search for "Cuddler" turns up on a certain TER board. lol

 
http://www.theeroticreview.com/discussion_boards/searchMessagesResults.asp?FromPost=1&MessageID=&BoardID=39&SortBy=DateCreated+desc&Search=cuddler&SearchType=1&Author=

 
As for Twitter, we all know that those girls on Twitter NEVER lie, right?  That's the reason you find so many ex TER providers panhandling on Twitter rather than booking sessions.

coeur-de-lion 400 Reviews 59 reads
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22 / 42

A license to rip off the shy, timid, insecure and impotent.  This should be the only thing illegal under FOSTA/SESTA.  Cuddling should just be part of the menu for FS sex workers, and I think it is for most.  The first time I heard of this a few years ago, I thought it was a hoax, but it appears not to be.  

-- Modified on 5/7/2019 5:06:54 AM

mrfisher 108 Reviews 35 reads
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23 / 42

and having the bar tender bring up how bad drinking is for your health.

Sure, when I get to know a gal really well, I'm game for a good round of politics, but I don't normally sport a woody while we have such discussions.

Fortunately I can only recall one instance where a provider insisted on bringing up politics, and it pretty much wrecked whatever good feelings I had about the session.

impposter 49 Reviews 44 reads
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24 / 42

I don't remember talking domestic or local politics with anyone, but if it did come up, it was something pretty innocuous.  She might have said, "Oh, the subways are terrible! What's wrong (the mayor or the governor)?!" and I would be, "Yeah, I wish the subways were better, too. Can we go again?"
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OTOH, I would sometimes initiate Qs about international politics with my K-girl hostesses. I'm usually just expressing concern or interest or awareness along the lines of, "I read that Un just did X and people are really concerned about what else he might do or what might happen next. Are your family and friends back home worried?"  The two most common answers were: (a) "No. It's always like that over there." [It's like a NYer reading about someone getting mugged in NYC. You just go about your life, per usual.] (b) "What? I don't follow the news. Un who?" Oh, well.

coeur-de-lion 400 Reviews 47 reads
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25 / 42

(c) their mouth was full the whole time and they couldn't answer.  If you do get an answer, you will get ten times more (b)'s than (a)'s.  Even if they are FOTB, they are notoriously uninformed about politics in the Korean peninsula.

GaGambler 38 reads
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26 / 42

Many of the K-girls secretly hope for reunification, but just like no hooker with any brains is going to admit supporting a certain POTUS when living in a city like NYC, neither are any K-Girls with any sense going to get into a political debate with a clueless American.

 
Of course CDL is also correct when he says that a lot of K-Girls, even the ones FOTB, simply don't pay attention to politics. So half the girls don't know any more than you do, and the other half are keeping their opinions to themselves. lol

 
Now if you ever got to actually know any of these girls, besides fucking them of course, then they might share with you how they really feel. Koreans, like most Asians are strongly nationalistic and VERY biased, but then of course aren't we all?

impposter 49 Reviews 35 reads
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27 / 42

I just try to be a nice guy.  "It's not just me and my world.  It's you, too!"  Some hostesses, usually with more years in the US, or were regulars who knew me better, were more open with their opinions (or with what they think I wanted to hear).

Posted By: GaGambler
Re: One thing you are most likely unaware of
Many of the K-girls secretly hope for reunification,
There are MANY reasons to favor reunification (live in peace and stability; reunification of families ...) but also reasons to be against it in the short term: saturation of the market and competition between NK-girls and SK-girls; strain on the economy (see German reunification) and gentlemen with less time and money to spend on R&R.  After a few or several years of reunification chaos, there would be a new normal that, I hope, would be a good thing for all.

-- Modified on 5/8/2019 10:52:28 AM

coeur-de-lion 400 Reviews 40 reads
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28 / 42

There can never be TOO MANY Korean working girls for us to select from.  Your statement is a complete sacrilege to everything we hold dear.

GaGambler 37 reads
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29 / 42

and almost certainly neither are the K-girls you think you know. THAT was my actual point.  

 
You are not a friend of these girls, you are a customer and they are hardly going to open up about how they REALLY feel about these issues with a paying customer. Spending an hour or two at a time with these women doesn't give you any kind of insight about how they really feel, as you yourself even said, they tell you what "they think you want to hear" Date one or more of these girls for a few months or more and maybe, just maybe they will open up about how they really feel.

 
Please keep in mind, you were the one who mentioned that you "sometimes" will start a political discussion with a K-girl, not me. I just pointed out the futility in doing so.

impposter 49 Reviews 39 reads
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30 / 42

Posted By: GaGambler
Re: I am not trying to start a debate about Korean unification
and almost certainly neither are the K-girls you think you know. THAT was my actual point.
Maybe I should have started with, "I am surprised to hear you say, "Many of the K-girls secretly hope for reunification"." As stated, I see the short term consequences on the SK-girls as being more negative than positive. Maybe I'm wrong or maybe they do focus on the better long term consequences and thus favor reunification.  
 
You are not a friend of these girls,
But I am friendLY to the K-girls. I love the K-girls.    
 
Please keep in mind, you were the one who mentioned that you "sometimes" will start a political discussion with a K-girl, not me. I just pointed out the futility in doing so.
It's just friendly 1-3 minute conversation. Not a televised debate or a podcast. I sometimes talk with them about K-drama and K-pop. I suppose I could chat about something else: "Nice brand-name stillettos! Authentic or knock-offs?" It's just friendLY conversation.  

GaGambler 39 reads
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31 / 42

And K-Girls are no different than any other providers, they are never going to let their guard down around a client, even a regular. Try spending hundreds or thousands of hours with a girl "OUTSIDE" of the incall environment and then you they might drop their guard and start telling you how they really feel.

 
Your best statement so far has been "maybe I'm wrong"  It's a rare white guy who ever has a clue as to how a K-girl really thinks. Try dating one for a few months or years and after spending a few hundred or a few thousand hours with her get back to me about how your perspective has changed.

mrfisher 108 Reviews 33 reads
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32 / 42

is that it gives them a chance to practice their English, a skill that has innumerable benefits for them.

impposter 49 Reviews 52 reads
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33 / 42

You're the one who introduced the word "friend" to describe things, not me. I corrected you to friendLY. I do not have any delusions about my time with the K-girls no matter what you think I think.  I love the K-girls, an hour at a time. We chit chat. We have fun. I am "easy" for them. And when time is up, I take some happy memories with me. That is all.

Posted By: GaGambler
Re: Friendly is MUCH different than friend
And K-Girls are no different than any other providers, they are never going to let their guard down around a client, even a regular. Try spending hundreds or thousands of hours with a girl "OUTSIDE" of the incall environment and then you they might drop their guard and start telling you how they really feel.  

 Your best statement so far has been "maybe I'm wrong"  It's a rare white guy who ever has a clue as to how a K-girl really thinks. Try dating one for a few months or years and after spending a few hundred or a few thousand hours with her get back to me about how your perspective has changed.

coeur-de-lion 400 Reviews 40 reads
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34 / 42

But I have to book two hours.  Chit chat time is in between the two pops, and you can learn some interesting things about them when you have their undivided attention.    If you book an hour and try to chit chat while you're getting dressed and they're cleaning up the incall for the next guy who's waiting in his car for you to leave, they're not really paying attention to anything you say.  

coeur-de-lion 400 Reviews 39 reads
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35 / 42

in English skills between a girl that is FOTB and one who has been here even just 90 days.  They seem to learn very quickly when they work in places where there are mostly  English-speaking American customers.  However, the ones who work in Ktown can be there a couple off years and still have only rudimentary English because most of their customers are Korean and Chinese immigrants or visiting businessmen.  

GaGambler 38 reads
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36 / 42

Do you REALLY think any of these girls would welcome such a debate with you?  

 
I don't want to have this debate with you anymore than they do, especially not here. I think 99% of these girls are able to tell that nothing good is going to come from engaging you in such a conversation, any more than most American providers really want to get into a lengthy debate about a certain POTUS. It's just dumb to risk alienating a paying customer and it's degrading to simply agree with someone like you just to avoid losing a customer, so the smart girls just smile and go back to sucking your dick or pretending they have limited ability to understand English. ANYTHING to keep from being forced into discussing politics with a client.

-- Modified on 5/11/2019 3:42:05 PM

lester_prairie 12 Reviews 56 reads
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37 / 42

I've never had politics come up at a session, whether pro or sugar babe.  Except for online politics forums, I generally avoid talking about politics to anyone unless I know in advance that I agree with them.  I usually walk away from relatives or acquaintances at parties and such when they start discussing politics.  

That's because as soon as they open their mouths my estimation of their intelligence starts to drop precipitously.  I prefer to have a good impression of people, even if that is an illusion.  They spoil it all when incredibly stupid stuff starts emanating from their pie-holes.

Why would I want to ruin the illusion of a session with some sexy chick by listening to her spout some idiotic political BS?  I just assume she feels the same way.  So small talk it is.

That said, I have visited some pros who's online political comments show them to be brainless idiots.  But they were really stacked, so as long as they aren't going on about politics during the session, I push it out of my mind to maintain my preferred illusion, or I revenge fuck them (not that they'd know the difference.)

coeur-de-lion 400 Reviews 66 reads
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38 / 42

hookers should charge by the inch, so you can get a discount?  (Sorry, you walked into that one, my friend - Lol)

coeur-de-lion 400 Reviews 61 reads
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39 / 42

Priceline years ago because they wouldn't give you the name of the hotel until after you booked and they had your money.  Can you imagine what it would be like to request a price of $200, they don't tell you who it is until AFTER they take your money, and then you end up with a 60yo hooker?  Priceline is not exactly the best model for what you are suggesting.  

 
With that said, I do believe there are providers that would occasionally take a customer at a cut-rate when times are slow providing it was not advertised or published.   The girls I have discussed pricing with always have concerns about pricing below what their regulars are paying and having them find out, so I think for something like this to work, the customer would have to agree to a no-review condition of service, or a limited review without stating the price.  

-- Modified on 5/12/2019 5:55:15 AM

mrfisher 108 Reviews 78 reads
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40 / 42

They do offer a deal where you get a choice of one out of three hotels that they tell you in advance, so as long as you are OK with any of them, it's still good.   Sometimes you find a decent price on a hotel that is listed, but a better way is to just go on Goggle Maps and click on a hotel shown on the map.  You then get the current prices listed on 4 or 5 sites to  pick from, and then you can click another hotel and compare.

It's a snap.

coeur-de-lion 400 Reviews 49 reads
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41 / 42

improvement over the last time I used them, but the Google Map thing sounds better.  

joedesert 105 Reviews 61 reads
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42 / 42

Rates seem about the same or lower in my travels.

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