And the seller attempts to get you to
*take down the review*amend the review
*berate you for the review
*tries to extort/blackmail you because of the review
Make sure you report this interaction to TER.
Don't tell the seller "oh ok I will take down the review", don't give in to terrorists demand. Give them a finger they will want the whole arm. Make sure you have proof of scheduling an appointment in case TER wants proof.
If they claim the schedule doesn't line up and you reviewed the provider deliberately later so as you can be identified less easily - provide this info to TER. What's written in a review is more important than what month the sesh took place in as long as it's not too far out.
Im going to post this in the newbie board too. Thanks for your time.
R
that TER will accept to allow you to take down a review or edit a review once it goes live. The time to make edits is while it's in moderation. The reason for this should be self-evident, but if you need an explanation, I will tell you. If there are any glaring errors the mods will usually catch it and send it back to you for editing. Capricious changes to a review are not allowed.
I usually post my reviews a week or two after I have the session, but TER actually allows you 90 days from the session to write the review. The agency bookers do not usually keep their schedules of who saw who for more than a few days, unless you are high volume and accept booker recommendations, in which case they will look at the ladies you have chosen in the past and suggest new ladies that are a match for your "type." How many mongers do you know that keep a calendar in writing or digitally of the prostitutes they have paid for sex so they can pinpoint the day they were there? Sounds kind of moronic to me.
I think we should name you Don Quixote. You wore this topic out on the Kgirl board and got your ass kicked each time, but you have some new "meat" here, so now you repeat it all over again for the guys that haven't visited the Kgirl board in the past four years while you were beating "consumer rights" to death over there.
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He certainly has a Don Quixote mindset.
The horse has fully decomposed since it was beaten to death on the KGirl forum a couple of years ago, and now the rotted, decomposed bones are being beaten again, this time by rocket and a new cast of characters foolish enough to argue with him and think he'll be reasonable. It's really sad, but if past is prologue this thread will find it's way to the ash heap of deleted history like the old KGirl threads did.
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Someone please make it stop!
It's very simple yet they keep on doing that. Why?
Is the review honest and truthful? Yes? Then don't touch it. You got a three? See the previous sentence.
You got a nine? See the previous sentence.
At least you don't refer to me as fletcher or whatever it was anymore. Maybe you realized I actually see kgirls and know the scene. And I've always respected u for keeping it real in your reviews, even when you insulted me like there was no tomorrow.
that you are an outlier in the way you view the Kgirl scene. 95% of Kgirl enthusiasts don't agree with your view that the girls and the agencies are solely responsible for anything that goes wrong. Newbies who fail to use common sense are the most common source for their own problems and challenges they encounter. Your "consumer rights" bullshit is wanting to give every monger who crosses a line a pass for his own conduct. To you, most Kgirls are scammers and every booker is a bogeyman hiding under the bed. Only the fuckups that have all of the problems are in agreement with you, and it's a very small percentage. It doesn't take that much intelligence to follow the instructions discussed ad nauseum on the Kgirl board on how to become and continue being a Kgirl monger without encountering problems.
This is PSA post alright . . . . . "Piece of Stupid Advice." Lol
This is the problem.
And Jensen was saying that I paraphrase, "saying harassing people over negative reviews are bad is like saying water is wet"
And yet cdl basically says that it's not like water is wet. So the problem in the neighboring thread isn't that particular guy was bad.
The real problem here is that many of you dont actually believe in this very simple concept that agencies and providers should not attempt to bully reviewers over truthful, negative reviews.
You actually think that agencies are allowed and it's actually good that they harass customers over negative reviews.
And if a customer gives a bad review - it's only on them and they should be allowed to be harassed. This is what cdl believes. I watched him lie to fellow mongers with a straight face. He chose to lie to mongers all to cover up an org who explicitly wrote their garbage policy and made it public (accidentally). If that policy is as all fine and dandy, why did they remove that policy from public view? Why didn't they stand on it? There was no answer. And no apology from that org.
And btw I never stated anywhere that agencies or providers are solely responsible for anything. Cdl made it up..
I said, your review is your review and don't be bullied your opinion and evaluation. If I order a meal and I am dissatisfied with the quality if the meal and/or service, I can write a negative review. Don't bother me. Don't bribe me. Don't attempt to negotiate with me. You got a negative review, as long as it's honest, that review stays. It doesn't fucking matter who was at fault. It doesn't matter if your cook was depressed. It doesn't matter that the waiter has a sick mother and her/his thoughts are elsewhere.
It literally. Doesn't. Matter. All it matters is I paid money, received product/service, and evaluated it truthfully and honestly. And it's in the books forever. There is no way to change it unless you got a DeLorean, Doc Brown and Flux Capacitor. Your review are with you forever. Wear them like a scarlet letter on your sleeve.
Why is this is a stupid psa? If someone tries to bully you over a negative review, report them to ter. What's so bad about it? Are you with the bullies? Its common sense, no?
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I EVER said it was okay for agencies to "harass" customers? What I did say, is that it's perfectly normal for agencies to follow up on information they get from a girl after a session about a customer who was abusive and otherwise crossed the line with their conduct during the session. How is that harassing?
If you are going to venture into the Kgirl arena, you have to be willing to play by their rules. If you want to make up your own rules, go somewhere else. It's the same if you go to work for companies that have an employee manual that tells you how to behave at work towards other employees and vendors. If you don't want to follow the prescribed procedure, you may be lucky enough to get a "warning" talk before they sack you on the next offense. You are the kind of guy that wants the world the way YOU want it, regardless of the fact that you are not in charge. Hence, the Don Quixote moniker.
Lol, who said abusive or whatever?
Your bff Tim literally tells people when signing up if you write reviews less than 8 they will get banned. You even said so yourself. You just didn't say his name publicly.
I have a text from him texting a monger how he's great and then begging like a bitch to not give new girls 7s. And stating how he doesn't get why the girl got a seven.
Who the fuck is he to ask anyone how they review his stable?
" You are the kind of guy that wants the world the way YOU want it, regardless of the fact that you are not in charge"
Lol at wanting the world the way I want it. All I want is for sellers to not pressure buyers. But you think it's perfectly fine and then when you are pressed to show it is not fine, you hide behind legality and "they set the rules".
"They" dont have shit without customers. WE are the bottom line, no them. Once again, we pay. We review. Their job is to supply shit and take feedback.
You have no link and are making up shit again. You also have no link to any reviews of "Tim's" girls in the past 7 years, yet you think he is my BFF. You live in fantasyland. He's famous for having some of the highest quality girls, so don't you think if he was my BFF, I would be seeing and reviewing some of them, even if it was just a favor for my "BFF?" You bet your ass I would. There are bookers that I still do business with, but he's not one of them. I'm guessing you couldn't even get close to passing screening with him, so this little crusade of yours is retaliation, am I right? Word in SoCal is out . . . . You're a dick and I wouldn't be surprised if you couldn't even get a session with a sheep down here. Lol
Cdl once again peddling a fucking lie about why I'm doing this. He knew I've been shitting on bad actors for years and yet with this specific agency he made up a lie that it's "retaliation"
What part of any agency or provider who does this will face my criticism, dont you get? Even if they have all dimes, I don't care.
I've never contacted this agency in my life.
Once again, did you not help Alex/Tim move?
Does anyone else here help an agency fucking booker move?
Would you trust anyone's words who's this close to a booker?
Not to mention when the agency exposed itself, everyone saw their policy in plain English, you tried to play it off as if I made the policy up. The most disgusting thing I've seen from you yet. You pretended like I made it up when it was up there in plain English.
I thought you'd learn the lesson that many things don't get erased on the internet when I was able to pull your old ass adultfx reviews. Your agency got caught red-handed and you denied it, lying in faces of mongers. Scum.
I have helped a couple of girls move their incall, but not in association with this particular booker.
However, if you want to say I lied when I said you couldn't book a session in SoCal with a sheep because you, in fact, HAVE booked with a sheep, I will apologize and stand corrected.
So it seems so far that YOU have lied about me having a booker as a BFF. Isn't that what you usually do? When you get outed as a liar, you call the other person a liar, even though you have no personal knowledge to back it up.
You call people out all the time when you have no knowledge of what is going on. You speculate galore based upon your perceived lack of knowledge and experience of your brethren just because they don't have reviews that you can see. That doesn't mean they haven't seen them. You lie all the time...
If you want cred from me that you have actually seen providers, pick a girl out of my review history THAT YOU HAVE ALSO SEEN, and I will ask you a question by PM that you would only know if you saw her. If you get it right, it will be a start towards a little cred with me. Otherwise, being on a review site with no reviews of your own, providing hardly anything in the way of information about any providers or the biz in general on the discussion boards, it's hard to not take you with a grain of salt. Admittedly, it's an assumption and you MAY have seen a few providers, but based on the kinds of things you post, I would consider you a low-information monger with limited experience.
Which board are you posting information about the ladies you have seen? It's not on this one.
Hahahaha Cred from you? Hahahahaha
Why would i NEED or WANT cred from you? Hahaha
I know this is a review site and I have plenty of them. But thank you Mr. Narcissist for the offer of reviewing one of yours. I guess a simp like you just doesn't understand what my retort to your tripe is all about. But that doesn't surprise me.
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Mr. irrelevant. Do you see the irony in you talking about "tripe?"
I do, too bad you don't. You made yourself the arbiter of all that is good or bad in the forums. It's fine you think that. Always accusing others of the same things you do. Do as I say, not as I do. Living in your delusional fantasy land.
probably because very few other than me will engage with you. Maybe you should post something informative from your personal experience on the cock-ring thread?
Listen everyone has their kinks so I'm not gonna judge you... for someone who always judges people on number of reviews you don't have any new ones in over a year so I'm gonna assume you're the one booking sheep and you keep mentioning it.
But I don't do that. I like pussy. Human female pussy. Sorry.
Again, you know this booker. You've helped him before. You helped him move. You tried to recruit an indy girl for this booker. You have a clear conflict of interest and then you defended him with lies that you know are lies. Because you yourself has said multiple times about this agency policy.
Then you tried to say I made it all up and created a fake website when I merely used archive.ph to archive what was publicly visible. All in a vile attempt to clear their name from somerhing they themselves have done.
I've canvassed many posters from many different sites that showed they were threatened with bl. I gave it to you via pm and badger can confirm I have. And if I did t include badger in the pm you'd probably have lied on that too. That's what you do. You lie to fellow mongers all to protect an org.
You have no respect for truth and integrity.
You have no respect for an average monger who gets bullied.
That's the difference here. I have and will always represent a monger who isn't vip and is getting bullied. You defend your vip and org. What the fuck is an org worth if they bully and lie to avg Joe monger? Not a damn thing. Worth less than dirt on my boots.
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there have been a few dozen times where reading someone's reviews made me think they were fucking a sheep. You're one of them. The way you treat providers as described in your own words in your reviews, you could substitute "sheep" for the girls and still get all of the things you like in a session. Then you just mentioned dirt on your boots, so we all know where you have been. The fact that you even wear boots instead of shoes militates towards you being a sheepfucker.
You're so baaaaaad. Lol
I dont. But again, sorry I don't fuck barnyard animals or any nonhumans for that matter. You do you tho.
None of this changes the fact that you have conflict of interest, lied to protect an org and lied about countless things about me to make me look like someones who's looking for some sort of revenge.
I called out orgs in the bay, LA, nova, Philly, SD and many other places. I have no problem calling out providers anywhere in the USA. Because I stood, stand and will stand for mongers interests, neve the org/providers interest. And there's absolutely nothing they can ever do about this besides changing their ways - removing shitty policies and treatment of mongers as well as false advertising and bullying of reviews.
"standing up" for the stupidest 5%, right? The fuckups that can't follow instructions and get themselves blacklisted. As long as you acknowledge who your constituency is, I have no problem with you pandering to them, but you should not be preying on newbies by telling them the agency scene is a rigged game because 90+% of the guys who patronize agencies have no complaints. You're painting yourself as someone out for revenge. You don't even realize that your bias is tattooed in every post you put up. You have declared in your last sentence above that you are predisposed to ALWAYS take the side of mongers without any regard to whether they are on the RIGHT side of the question, or not.
BTW, I didn't say you fuck nonhumans. I just said that in your session style described in your reviews, you could substitute a sheep for the girl and everything else would be the same. I have read that guys who fuck sheep wear boots, because they put the hind legs of the sheep into the boots so the sheep can't walk away from them before they ejaculate, so when you, from the Bay Area, which is mostly city boys, said that you wear boots instead of shoes, it took little imagination to connect the dots.
Lastly, I'm much fairer than you. I will wait until I hear both sides of the story and then decide if it's the inexperienced newbie monger or the professional provider and agency that screwed things up. I'm not going to make sweeping generalizations that it's ALWAYS one side at fault.
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As Jeff Foxworthy would say, "Here's your sign."
You fair?
You don't make sweeping generalizations?
The hits keep on coming!
You decided and have reminded everyone that I'm an inexperienced newbie with no reviews. I'll give you a hint so you can stop embarrassing yourself with your wild accusations and pure speculation.... I've been doing this for 40 years and have plenty of reviews. Of course, you'll keep on making an ass out of yourself, nevertheless. So much for you being fair and not generalizing.
". You're painting yourself as someone out for revenge."
There is no revenge. There is calling out of unfair and anti-consumer practices.
I call out unfair practices even with agencies I have great experience with and who generally have great offerings. Unlike you, I have no issues with biting hand that feeds me if I feel like they're being unfair to others. And not only will I bite the hand, I'll go for throats. Don't. Fuck. With. Customers. Reviews.
Just because they treat me well doesn't mean they can treat others like crap.
You always laughed at me when I complained of them and told me to go to bbb. So I want to be a BBB myself if there isn't one. But now you crying like a bitch about it. Cry some more. I take up standing up for other cinsumers. Something that youve never done. All you do is shit on them and think if agency did something to them then they deserved it.
What you fucking fail to understand there is no two sides if the review is honest and truthful. If I buy a pizza and I eat pizza and it tastes not to my liking, it is well within my rights to review the pizza accordingly. It doesn't matter what % of people like the pizza. As long as I truthful and honest about my review, there is no fucking second side. I don't like the pizza. I tell everyone that I didn't like the pizza.
This doesn't give the pizza seller any fucking right to go full Nancy Drew and figure out which anonymous review was mine and then contact me and say remove the review or don't give my pizza a low rating.
The second side shuts the fuck up and takes the review. Is it truthful? Yes? Is it honest? Yes? Then what the fuck is the problem? You gonna tell me how I should evaluate a pizza? You gonna tell me how I think the pizza tastes? You gonna tell ME that no kgirl deserves a three because you think so?
Fuck. Outta. Here.
Oh and your boots quip is so stupid. I wore Timbs in NYC and I do wear them in the bay too.
"Timbs all seasons for ass kicking reasons/never know when you catch spy committing treason" - Smiff and wessun
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Only a couple of years ago. The subject was a well beaten horse corpse here years before rocket showed up.
Except for perhaps newbies I suspect everyone else here has already made the decisions about how best to deal with such situations (and any of the others that crop up in these discussion boards), in the event they experience it, and don't need someone telling them something they already know as if they were little children.
I do second his thought that this belongs on the Newbie board - though not the thought it should be posted to multiple boards.
Windmill encounters.
I did have a provider very upset with a review I wrote. I understood where she was coming from and I did change it half way to what she wanted. I was a bit harsh on the scoring of looks, etc. And she did put effort into the session, it just didn't go great.
So you caved in? I mean, if you felt that way, but would you feel the same way if she wasnt there to "convince" you?
Do you mind telling me her name? I'd like to investigate.
In fact, anyone who has a provider do this to them - if you don't want to report them to ter, tell me about them.
They will understand what Streisand effect looks like lol.
Of course, given that the review is accurate and truthful. If the provider is mad you lied on the review and you have lied - you're done. Keep reviews truthful and honest.
We mongers all benefit from it.
Cheers
She wasn't mean about it. And I was a bit on the harsh side. I do really think I was being a bit harder than I normally am. If you read my reviews they are not all glowing. I have given some very low scores when deserved. I definitely don't pander to the keep the bookers happy with me crowd. If they were good bookers their talent wouldn't give shit performances.
I didn't change it from a 5 to an 8. Went to a 6.
So you're saying TER let you change it after it was approved??
One time I remember, was when the girl told me I put something in the review that could possibly ID her to people that were close to her. I put in there a civie hobby she engaged in bc she talked a lot about it during downtime, and I explained it to TER and they let me edit that, and only that, out.
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It was cool of them to allow it as it could have jammed me up with the girl in question. It was mistake I made when I was new, so I make sure those things don't ever go in reviews anymore.
to the rules. If you say something that could inadvertently dox a provider or put them at risk in some other way, TER is very accommodating at allowing removal of this type of information. What they generally will NOT do, is allow you to ADD information that was not in the original review. Score changes generally fall into this category, because changing scores, especially upward, after the review goes live can be construed as manipulation by the reviewer, the provider, or both.
Hopefully, this was long ago, and you have since learned that this biz is fantasy and not reality. Providers will often tell you personal things about themselves, but it's up to you to know what types of information should go into a review. It's okay to post that she likes her tits tweaked, but NOT okay to say she has taken up taxidermy as a hobby. This latter information adds nothing to the review and merely exposes the girl to the kind of attention that has nothing to do with her business and/or could cause her some embarrassment.
Yes. I also wrote a first review on a girl who then asked me to delete it. She didn't want her profile up on TER. Apparently girls can ask to have all of their reviews removed.
a voluntary delisting. Any provider can do it at anytime. Most common is when they retire. Less common is when a provider is delisted by TER for a rules violation. Either way, the only trace that may be left is if they have some doubles reviews with another provider who is not delisted.
Delisting is not the same as a provider challenging a review as fake, which only affects that one review. Delisting is an all or nothing proposition.
If you say you made a mistake and meant to do something different, they may. I can see a difference of one in a rating being a slip of the hand. I don’t see them doing it if you say the provider asked you or you gave it more thought and changed your mind.
I once had a provider ask for a second chance. I was given a free session in exchange for reviewing her based on her performance at the new session. She was much better and I wrote the new review as promised. It was an honest review of that session. I originally asked TER if the new review could replace the old one. They said no but that they would allow both to show. They almost didn’t allow the new one to even post because I reviewed the same provider back to back. But after I explained they did.
And you followed through. Smh
Did you ever think that the only reason she gave you this discount wasnt because of how she performed, but the fact that you gave her a public negative review?
She effectively bribed you. And you toom the bribe. Why would you do that?
The reviews are supposed to show others what can happen. By removing your original review and accepting the bribe, you effectively misled your fellow bros.
Did you at least mention in the new review what happened in the first review and what score you gave?
All it cost the provider was the cost of one session and the provider skated free and is free to do thid again because most mongers are scared to write negative reviews.
I will never, for the life of me understand this
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Imagine two different sellers
One knows any time there's negative review theyll just offer to give you a freebie where they will work hard, so you remove the review and the seller will continue to behave as previously.
Any more negative reviews and the seller will just do the same. Whats an hour of work to remove a review that can affect many future clients? It literally pays for itself and then some.
The other knows any negative review is permanent and will affect his/her biz dearly for the rest of their life. And so they are extremely diligent so as to prevent as much negative reviews as possible.
Who do you think is the better seller, who is working harder, who will be more customer-oriented and who will be better for an an average, arbitrary monger?
This is a rhetorical question. But I hope it illustrates why negative reviews in particular are needed. And why in this articular industry they are very marginalized, shunned and swept under the rug.
Just like if platforms like ter would ban sellers for delivering pictures that are extremely out of date, fake and extremely differing, we would see many more real pics and less fake pics.
You need to stop with the overly aggressive force feeding what you think others should do. First, you know little about what actually happened and made lots of assumptions. Second, I’m not you and do not think nor agree with your views. Chill out.
The original review was low because of something she was not able to do. She was fine otherwise. She was both friendly and attractive. She was apologetic as well. And yes, the extra session might have been because of the bad review. But I believe people have bad days. So, I gave her a chance to make it up. I was very clear that I was not going to write a better review just for the freebie. That I was going to honestly review the 2nd session.
She hit it out the park with the second session and earned the review. I was honest to TER about the situation and they advised that they would allow the new review but the original review since it was truthful needed to stay up as well.
Then, in my second review, I did reference the previous review. I did say it was a make up for what may have been a bad day. And, my first review was and is still there for everyone to see. So what’s wrong now?
You need to relax on this mission to control everyone. You do you, that’s your choice. But no one wants to hear your rant telling them that they should also be just like you. It’s annoying.
Not sure I understand the inclination of some players to feel they have the obligation and calling to dictate to other adults how they should comport themselves in P4P generally or on this board specifically.
You shouldn’t pressure people in life in general imho but to do so in an illegal activity is asinine. Qwordy really is clueless and can never ever admit he is wrong. Some people need to stay in their lane but when you are drunk with self righteousness, his car is everywhere but in his own lane.
I've read it as you removed the original review. This is my fault. Please accept my apologies. If the original review stayed, there is no problem. I assume you also said that she have you a freebie after you posted your first review?
I don't really try to tell anyone what to do. I tell it how I see it and I thought most agree that it's not a good look when sellers contact you trying to sweet talk or threaten because of a negative review. Jensen even said it's like "water is wet" that it's not a good thing.
As far as my last post, I was just illustrating how sellers who are able to remove negative reviews that were truthful and honest, can then result in even more unhappy mongers who otherwise would've avoided the seller.
I want mongers to get as much information as they possibly can, and negative reviews help that immensely.
At least you agree that the freebie was likely because of a negative review and you wouldn't otherwise get it.
I appreciate the apology. I did not include that she gave me a freebie in the review. I did not think that was a fair thing to share. Although she did this for me, she may not do it for others. Not only does me putting it in the review set up an unfair expectation, but others might intentionally give her lower marks hoping to also get a freebie.
Also, this was a situation with a new provider who wasn't really reviewed much. I think she only had one. Her reviews mattered a lot to her because she was trying to create a brand that attracted more clients. She knows I could have easily rejected her offer for a make-up session. She knows that others in the future may do so as well. She also knows the bad review still stayed up. I'm pretty sure her plan isn't to underdeliver and offer freebies to anyone who gives a bad review. That would be an awful business model, more work for her, and have a pattern of good and bad reviews with the same clients.
I was her first bad review, yes out of two. (She has not had a bad review since.) Her hope was to hit the reset with me and make sure not to have the same issue with future clients. In hindsight, she knows it was an issue she could have avoided by rescheduling with me. It was a situation where she made the poor choice seeing me because she needed the money when she couldn't deliver all of her services. She felt bad about it and realized in the long run she's better off not seeing a client if she is having an off day. The smart money on her is she will do everything she can to provide well to her future clients. Knowing this, I don't feel bad about other clients seeing her based on my good review because I expect she will deliver for them. In fact, quite the opposite. I would feel bad driving business away from her because she had a bad day when on a good day she is top notch.
"Not only does me putting it in the review set up an unfair expectation, but others might intentionally give her lower marks hoping to also get a freebie."
So once again, I will say I'm not telling you what to do but we're just having a discussion.
So to me, not putting that the sesh was a freebie also creates an unfair expectation. There's a reason a platform like Steam (games and other apps) marks reviews where the game/app was received for free as such for everyone to see. It's an important distinction imo. I think because this sesh was free its unreasonable for others to expect the same, no?
I do agree that others may try to use reviews as leverage, which is not good at all.
Also, a few word on "bad days". I generally don't like to buy that excuse. And I believe you with this particular provide and trust your judgment.
I mean sure everyone has a bad day. But the problem of cutting slack for bad days is the following - I get a wack sesh, say oh she just had a bad day and don't write a review or don't mention the bad in a review. Then someone else does it again, there are no bad reviews so they're like I don't want to be the only one she must had a bad day. And then until these guys meet and talk and find out she was the same for all of them only do they realize it's a MO and not just a bad day.
Happened to me once. One of the WOAT seshs in my life. I even thought the girl might be trafficked she was so passive and dead fish. I didn't even nut, I left early and visited my atf instead. So I started looking her history up and I've found her under another name. And voila - same behavior patterns. It was her MO. Hence imo another reason to write reviews even if u think it's just a bad day. (and I know you did write the initial review so it's not applicable to you)
Even more important to give negative reviews when the seller is new imo. You'll save guys who toftt many doucats. Instead a lot of people simply don't write a review, allowing others also to step on the proverbial rake. I want to avoid this as much as possible. This isn't a charity and we shouldn't be ecstatic that some fucks us, as long as we pay for it. Imo.
Cheers
R