WTH is wrong with some people? Like how are you a reviewer on here and still go see escorts with red flags? I see ladies with under 8 averages, with multiple reviewers giving 6s or less, and they keep getting more mediocre reviews. The only exception to this rule that might have some logic is kgirls because we know some of you all like them better than others. So, naturally they will have some lower reviews and still be liked by kgirl purists. But aside from them, I don’t get why anyone who reviews and reads reviews would see an escort below an 8. Okay okay. One more exception, if her recent reviews are all higher and it’s older reviews holding her average down. But even then not sure I would risk it.
Maybe it is bc that is all the guy can afford, maybe it's bc he finds her attractive and you don't, maybe he is attracted to her open mind and wide menu, maybe it's her ease of verification options, her personality, maybe her incall is close to his home or work, maybe it's bc she doesn't ask for a deposit, etc. Maybe it's due to all of the above or some of the above.
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But I have to ask, respectfully, why do you care? I don't care whom you choose to see or anyone else. I am seriously asking...why does it bother you if you aren't seeing those girls?
That’s a lot of maybes. Maybe anything about any opinion? But sure, I will dissect your maybes. Afford would imply this only happens with cheaper escorts. False. Finds her attractive and I don’t? Also false. There are some I find quite attractive. But I don’t see attractive escorts with bad reviews. Her open mind and wide menu? That’s rather presumptuous to think those with worse reviews are more open minded and have wider menus. Personally, I have found the opposite to be true. In fact, I have found that sometimes less attractive providers get higher marks because of their open menus. Doesn’t ask for a deposit? Really Robert? Come on. You know better. Only a small percentage ask for deposits. I’m confident this is not a reason to go with a provider with worse reviews.
Why do I care? It’s not so much that I care as much as it is that I am baffled by it. Look, if they are not reading and submitting reviews, I get it. And my first thought was maybe these guys came here after the fact and this was their first review. But no, I looked and many of them have reviewed before.
Seems a bit uninformed but just my 2 cents. You refer to them as "bad" reviews But you are ONLY going by the score. Veterans here know not to just look at scores but actually read the reviews. Not ONLY that but they look at profiles AND pm reviewers to get more info than what you are seeing.
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You admitted you find some of them attractive. But thats something that SOME guys ONLY need. That is the point you are missing. Some JUST want someone they think is hot and they dont care as much about performance or personality.
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And I never said women with "worse reviews are more open minded." What I did say is that maybe some of the girls that you dont think have good reviews, possibly offer more options, sexually, and that is what those guys are looking for. Maybe they provide FBSM, maybe BDSM, maybe anal, or swallow or whatever. and THAT is why they see them, even with what you would call "bad reviews."
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You are sadly mistaken if you don't think girls who dont ask for deposits get more attention from certain men, even those with lesser scores. It's not a "small" percentage anymore who ask for them. In many places, like NYC, Philly, it is more the norm now. 5 years ago I would have agreed but not now.
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You are too score centric. There are many, many reason why guys see women that you would deem are not worthy of your money. I have already laid them out for you. You need to see the much, much bigger picture and maybe at this point you are just not capable? Not sure. As usual, thanks for your take.
I am 100% not only going by the score, and some of my previous comments, which I suppose you chose not to read, already addressed this fact. I always read reviews before passing judgment. This is not a case of saying good things and giving low scores. I have seen a rare number of reviews where they have consistent 7s and 8s, making their average scores low, by the comments suggest the service might actually be good. What I see more often is not only are they at a under 8 average, but they have a few reviews with a 5 or less in one or both of the categories. And, when you read the reviews, the reviewers make it clear they felt the escorts were below average at best. As I said before, they go see them and in their reviews express some of the same disappointments as previous reviewers.
If these some guys only needed them to be attractive, then I would expect their reviews to reflect that's all they needed. You are missing my point. They see them despite bad reviews and then give a bad review. If all they needed was for her to look good, why on Earth would they give a bad review, and say she looked good? Because they sometimes start off by saying she was hot, then complain about her service. Things like, she wouldn't really kiss me, she made me wait, she was in a rush, she wanted to upcharge, and so on are all over some of these reviews. And, they are often in the reviews that were posted before they saw them.
You said maybe she was open minded. You said this in response to contradicting me saying they had bad reviews. When you have 1 + 1, you don't take 1 away and say it equals 1. I said they have worse reviews. You said maybe they are more open minded. Just like 1 + 1, you add these up and it comes across as you saying maybe these women with worse reviews are more open minded. If that's not what you meant, that's fine. But that doesn't change what you made it sound like.
I never said girls who don't ask for deposits get more attention. I said not many do askf for deposits. At least not the mid range ladies who allow reviews when it comes to one hour. For multiple hour or more bookings and higher end ladies (1k+) it probably is. For $700 or less for one hour, it is not. Btw, I'm in LA, lived in both Philly and NYC before, so we are talking about the same places.
Robert, I like you and you keep it respectful, but forcing a contrarian perspective seems to be a bit too much the norm for you. I'm not sure you are really understanding my point or even trying. You seem to be arguing points that are not at all what I am actually saying.
If anyone is the contrarian here, it is you. No one is really agreeing with you. That doesn't make you wrong, as sometimes the herd gets it right and sometimes the herd goes over the cliff. lol.
I am just surprised by your take, especially with your level of experience. You keep saying "bad reviews" as if someone with 7.5 or below has bad reviews. They might be BAD for you, that is a given. But many guys, for many different reasons I have already explained, like to, or are forced to play in that pool. That's just a fact. It seems like you are banging your head against the wall to try and understand something that is fairly straightforward and understandable.
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Like Scarlet said, she doesnt understand why guys see rip off girls when there are reviews showing her to be a rip off. So that is truly mystifying but the things you are concerning yourself with don't seem to be a mystery to me, or really anyone else for that matter.
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And of course I am respectful with you! You are always respectful and kind and you will always be treated the same, even when we disagree, like we are going right now. lol.
Peace bro.
I wouldn't say no one is, but sure most are not. But they are arguing an interpretation of what I am saying that I am not saying. Look, whether 7.5 is bad for me or not is not relivent. If it is good for someone else then I expect that when I read their review it will support this and then make sense. And yes, I have seen reviews where the escort was given 7-7, and the reviewer said he had a good time with no complaints, and even said he would repeat. Nothing to question or not understand when he does this in his review. But I keep saying they are not saying they had a good time and not being complementary with their words. They are saying they had a bad time and complaining, and they are repeating the same complaints that previous reviews pointed out. It's not just about the number score, but the number score can be the first clue. But of course it's always important to read the details to truly understand.
Why is it mystifying when guys see rip off girls but not when guys who see girls who don't kiss, than act surprised and complain about them not kissing? Or when they see girls who look at older than their posted age, after previous reviews pointed this out again and again? I don't get why one red flag is mystfying but other red flags are not? If you don't care about kissing, then sure it makes sense to not be bothered when previous reviews complain about her not kissing. But if kissing is important to you, then why would you ignore previous reviews that say she doesn't kiss?
And forced to play in this pool? Okay, maybe in certain locations, but not in places like NYC, LA, SF, Miami, Chicago, etc... Maybe Philly, since the options there are not as great. And sure maybe other places with less options. And in these places with less options MAYBE that's their reason. But in places with options I am hard pressed to believe they don't have better options. I read reviews from every state and it just doesn't add up.
We all know the scoring system favors BBBJ, LFK/DFK, anal, and really bi sessions.
So a "safe" provider CAN'T get more than a 7 in performance.
Now if you're purely talking about detailed poor service, there are at least 3 possibilities:
1.) looks triumph over performance for a lot of mongers.
2.) low price triumphs over performance for a lot of mongers.
3.) mongers who don't have VIP take a chance.
If you're talking appearance, well some guys just go for OTHFBs but they're at least honest about it.
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Recent trajectory of the scores is more important than the overall average. It's expected that, like anything else, the more experience they get, the better the service will become, providing they do not burn out, but even burnout creates a downward recent trajectory, so that is a red flag as well.
I have never had someone book with me and said they were doing so because of my review score. I have had gentlemen say they have read my reviews (I do have a link on my website and my email signature line) but I have honestly never had anyone comment on my actual score. The only thing that has really perplexed me is when a "provider" has a rip off review and STILL has gents try to book and shockingly they get ripped off also. Someone already TOFTF and warned you, no need to continue busting your own balls, bud.
I get what you're trying to say but everyone makes their own choices. Whether I agree with the choice or not really doesn't matter and I don't think you can impose your rationality on someone else in this particular case. It's not like some clear engineering type problem with univerally accepted metrics on the outputs, inputs and relationship between them.
Years ago I was told that Agnes Moorehead of AC/DC was really into fat chicks. This was when AC/DC was the really hot band ruling the rock scene. Clearly the guy could see just able any fan girl he wanted. BUt he wanted a type of girl pretty much none of the rest of us would have chosen.
I also worked with a guy that really wanted to see really slutty looking girls. He didn't care that the they were not really very pretty. It was just his thing. He got off on having sex with women with that type of look and act/image (not in the known to sleep with everyone but dressed in the "come fuck me" look). I don't think I ever saw him with a girl I was interested in dating or sleeping with.
We all know the numeric scoring is very problematic and that's why reading the reviews and understanding how the reviewer scores and what that review seems to want in a session/provider. So why suggest that whoever's reviews you were looking at to prompt this post needs to change? After all, if they all stopped (leaving aside the whole budget question) seening the lower ranked girls and only looked for the 8+ girls, what do you think would happen? So many guys here are already (or were, quieted down now it seem) screaming about high prices and the addtional demand would only add pressure.
The problem is these guys also rate them low after seeing them, and often their reviews reflect the same reasons that were written about in previous reviews. This isn’t a matter of difference in what they are attracted to nor is it because of TER limits, as many provide services that at least can net them 9s. It would be different if they saw them and as a result rated them higher. That would seem more like a difference in taste.
I suppose I should take my own advice. You're going to keep seeing things your way for your reasons.
Doesn't make sense to me to get worked up about what you are as it strikes me as a more defensable position to wonder about those who do see girls others rate low but want to give them high scores but whatever.
There still could be many reasons.
Some people couldve seen the provider before the reviews appeared. Some people are hesitant to write a meh review until someone else does. And many other reasons.
Oh absolutely. I have seen this happen multiple times. Usually, when I see this, it's 3-5 reviews though and they are all around the same time. I'm seeing ones with 20+ reviews spread over months, and sometimes years, though. I have even seen comments where the reviewer said, "maybe I should have listened to the other reviews."
That is whole point of reading reviews on here isn't it? By this I mean, to be more informed and prepared for what to expect and to be able to make a decision on who you want to see, and who you will pass on seeing. Seems like a kick yourself in the ass moment if you read some reviews, don't like what you read, see the provider anyway, and then complain about the exact same thing previous reviewers already complained about.
"Seems like a kick yourself in the ass moment if you read some reviews, don't like what you read, see the provider anyway, and then complain about the exact same thing previous reviewers already complained about.
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I have seen this sentiment before and I never got it. Again, there could be various circumstances. I had this before when I got canceled on and I got very few if any options. But my dick wants to fuck. So I just choose the girl who doesnt have greatest reviews. Yes I expect the sesh to be around the same as reviews. Yes, I'm willing to settle for something worse than I usually do. So what?
Just because I'm out of options doesn't mean I can't buy something that I usually wouldn't. It doesn't mean I should be criticized for it. Sometimes we want a steak at Ruth's Chris but circumstances land us at McDonald's drivethrough at 3 in the morning.
Sometimes even the most picky food critics have to eat at mickey ds. Do they expect the food to be good? Prolly not. They chose subpar food over starving. But because they know beforehand that food isn't very good, doesn't mean they can't give it a chance or that they can't review the food and then give it a grade it deserves.
In other words, I don't get why customer is blamed. If the customer knew this and still saw the girl, it's his right. It's also his right to review the provider without circumstances and in a vacuum as much as the customer can.
Sure, if the food critic had expectations of steak at mcdonalds, it's unrealistic expectations. But the quality of the food is the same regardless of expectations. And that is what is reviewed.
I get it. Not all circumstances are the same. What you say can very well be true. But is it true in every case like what I described? While no one can answer this with any proof, my guess is no.
Perhaps, I’m a little spoiled by my location. In LA, I always feel there are plenty of options, regardless of your price range or preferences. I recognize this isn’t true for all locations. And, reviews less flattering with repeats in more desolate locations certainly may speak to your point. That said, I see this with ladies in places like LA and NYC too. It’s a bit hard to believe in these locations there wasn’t better options.
Btw, I like McDs. Regardless, in a big city, it’s never your only choice. Even in the middle of the night, there are numerous options. But I have been in those situations where there was not. I flew into Boston once. I was pretty hungry and we pulled into a rest stop heading to a small town about an hour outside Boston. Burger King was my only option. I don’t care for Burger King. But I was hungry and I ate it anyway.
So while I see your point, or really counter point, I also think it doesn’t mean everyone has a good reason for seeing a poorly reviewed provider.
As no one can possibly speak for "everyone." Remember some of those reviews can be fake just to get 15 free days, some could be from guys who are not mentally well, some guys may not have seen those previous reviews, or didn't have VIP at the time, or may have been brand new, etc etc etc. Thats the issue though. There are just so many factors and possibilities. Qwerty's answer was spot on and I wish I came up with that analogy.
And that is the thing. All these maybes are obvious. I'm sure some of them apply to some of the reviews. But proving which apply and where is not likely something any of us can do. But I don't feel these disprove what I am saying as well. Some are just making bad decisions and might not have a good explanation. Again, I can't prove this either. In the end, we are all just throwing opinions around that we cannot prove, but for some reason the mentality seems to be gang up and prove the OP wrong.
It could be said you are trying to prove everyone else wrong. I don't see anyone ganging up on you as that makes it sound personal. They just disagree with you, and they did respectfully, based on their own experiences.
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From my perspective, when you said "I don’t get why anyone who reviews and reads reviews would see an escort below an 8" that is what caused the issue. You were given a dozen reasons or more about why that occurred and yet you keep stubbornly pushing back on everyone. You also said there was something "wrong" with them. That was shown to you that that is not necessarily the case, and yet again, you keep fighting back.
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Just thought you might want an answer to your last sentence. 
OP voices an opinion.
Others voice their contrary opinion.
OP insists all other opinions are wrong and everyone else is too dumb to understand.
Others voice thought that opinions are neither objectively wrong or right.
OP insists his opinion is not an opinion, therefore must be correct
Thread continues until it's in a single-word-thin column.
who are wrong are too inexperienced or too unintelligent to KNOW they are wrong.
Your post is non-sensical. The OP has stated observations about reviews which are FACTS. They are not his opinions because I think everyone here can identify a negative review. Then he says he doesn't understand why guys continue to patronize providers with bad reviews and then complain in their own review that she was bad. That he doesn't understand is a fact, not an opinion. You are the one responding with nothing but opinions. This destroys your point because you say he started with an opinion, so your chain of faux logic that follows is completely misplaced. That makes you wrong, but you can't see it for whatever reason, so you should refer to my first sentence for the likely reason. Maybe it's time for a little introspection?
Some were respectful, but not all. I assume you are just saying this and not actually reading all the comments, so not surprised you would say that. But when I am told I am not baffled, but judgmental, deflecting, and not man enough, I don't feel respect is being given. But go on and feel that's respectful.
I get that I triggered a few here who like to see ladies with low averages, or just simply want to defend those who do. I was speaking my truth. And, I personally still feel that way. However, for you to say I was given a dozen reasons and keep stubbornly pushing back is ignoring the actual truth. I have given numerous concessions to understanding some people's points, have tried to better clarify what I was saying, and all I get back is more pushing of other points and dismissing of my points. Apparently, those who are triggered have no interest in understanding me nor recognizing that I am actually understanding some of their points.
I have much more respect for those who take the time to both understand my points and make their own points. To dismiss mine and agressively push yours is what real stubborness looks like.
I mean, I pretty much only see kgirls nowadays, but if I get canceled on last minute at 10pm at night, are there really that many options? Even in LA?
Since not even kgirl shops have many options at that kind of time, I doubt that unless you know the girl well and she likes random late booty calls, I doubt you'd be able to schedule something last minute like that.
Especially if you're pot-committed or are a sex addict like me.
Also I don't think anyone said that everyone has a good reason. But speaking in absolutes is a losing proposition to start with.
Reviews are datapoints for users to check and then make a decision. Making a decision in lieu of reviews may result in a "I told you so" moment. It may also result in you finding a cf who clicks.
I've had times where I knew I was going to subpar session and I still went. My expectations were close to what I got (mediocre) and I obviously reviewed it as mediocre. What I really dislike is certain people will then go and try to defend the provider and blame me. It's not like I'm complaining that I was misled or anything. It was a conscious, informed decision. Quality is quality though. Sometimes the most fun thing about the encounter for me writing a mediocre review of it.
on the side while she was on "Bewitched?"
Or maybe, just maybe Jensen, you were subconsciously telling us that Agnes Moorhead is YOUR type. Did you fantasize about Agnes giving you "Moor head?"
"Oo, oo, witchy woman" LOL!!
Yes, I have no idea why my brain always confuses the two names but I'm sure I will once again in the future be thinking about Angus Young from the rock band and the Agnus Moorehead will be the name that pops up in my head.
Actually, I performed under that pseudonym during my porn career. I also appeared as A. Pismo Clam.
A seven is still a good score. Even a six is above average. Maybe you subscribe to modern reviews where anything below 8 is garbo? But that's not how ter scoring works.
There are so many reasons why clients would see a provider with lower scores. Some might prefer service over looks. Some may prefer convenience. Even a very picky food critic will go and eat at a casual fast food or fast food places sometimes due to convenience or lack of other choices.
I forget the formal term of the psychological effect, but in reality many people who think they consume products or services that are far above average, in reality are consuming average quality. They like to think they're not, but they are. And status symbol clothes, cars, designer brands, etc only perpetuate this further.
Not to go too much into statistical distributions and probability theory, but central limit theorem states that any distrubution will follow standard normal distribution with big enough sample size. So majority of people will always be on the average peak of the bell curve.
Also if it was as easy to grab the far right side of this bell curve simply by reading ter reviews, and choosing only those with 9s/10s...then no one would see other girls. Jensen already mentioned it. But in reality what would happen is that the eights would want to get 9 reviews to get biz.
Ie, the bell curve will stay the same but only the reviewer grade will change. This is how the review scale of 1 to 10 got skewed to anything below eight is bad. You just compress the minimum passing grade you think you need to see a provider into a more narrow range. But in reality, you see the same girl. What used to be a six is just now called an eight. But nothing else changed. So what's the reason to utilize a 1 to 10 scale if you only see 8+ anyway?
Don't know if I explained it well, probably not. Lol.
I get what you’re saying about how the points work, but when you read the reviews it doesn’t come across as though they had a good time and were happy with the experience. I rarely find someone with a 7.5 average, for example, where what was written suggests she is a good provider.
Something gonna magically change some how. Make changes, don't be cheap, travel sometimes. Great providers out there.
You're not really asking this question out of curiosity or interest. You're making clear that any player who doesn't play like you do is doing something wrong. You're entitled to make that judgment I suppose; we can't stop you. But at least be man enough to own your criticism rather than hiding behind the oft-deployed deflection tactic of "I'm just asking." And the rest of us will exercise our right to ignore your judgment in favor of our own choices.
Lmao, man enough? Way to swing with insults. WTH isn't judgmental on these boards? Or, in life? What did I say to ever suggest anything I say is not a form of judgment? Can one not be both baffled and judgmental? Because if you actually asked me, instead of making assumptions, I would have said what I will say, "Fuck yeah I am being judgmental." But being judgmental doesn't change that I am baffled. I am baffled not because anyone sees them. I am baffled because they see them and then complain about the same things previous reviewers complained about. Do you not see the issue here? Idgaf if you read a review and feel like the things that bothered someone else won't bother you and see the provider and give her a better review. That to me would a difference of opinion, which absolutely is anyone's right.
But if reviewer after reviewer complains that she was late, she wouldn't kiss me, she rushed her services, and you go see her, and then you write a poor review and list all these same things as reasons why you were not too pleased, yes I will be judgmental and baffled. This is not a case of you being okay with what previous reviewers were not okay with. This is a case of you ignoring the red flags.
low-volume snowflakes here too seriously. As you and I both know, the more experience you get and the more variety of providers you see, the more careful we are in analyzing reviews in order to keep our disappointments and mistakes to a minimum. I'm often left SMH, too, when there are plenty of red flags on a particular provider and then the last guy who saw her writes a review about how bad she was.
The only logical conclusion I have that MAY explain this is that there seem to be guys who let their VIP lapse, and then pick a provider without being able to read the "Juicy details" of the review. The price of a one-year membership is less that the cost of a one-hour session with the vast majority of providers, so choosing a provider in the blind is an absolutely moronic approach to this business. Even for a guy who can only afford to see ONE provider a month, it's better to skip one month and get a year's worth of full access to everything that is in the TER reviews so he can choose wisely. I completely agree with your assessment and can only say to the post-puller who called you out for a legit point, go fuck himself until he gets more experience.
Some Hobbyists may not like all of what a Provider does, but the Hobbyist knows that that Provider could be his (The Hobbyist) last resorts for getting his nuts off.
I only post a review if I have positive things to say. Most ladies give me positive things to say
The worst review, after all, is no review at all.
No review at all when your review WOULD NOT be positive gives providers with poor service a pass and the opportunity to fleece other unsuspecting customers, which you COULD have helped prevent be reviewing the subpar ladies you have seen. This sounds like a, "Fuck the rest of you, every man for himself" attitude, IMO, and knowing that is the way you approach reviewing, you have made your whole review history irrelevant to the rest of the membership. It's like the guys here who gives every provider they see a perfect score.
You're overthinking it. It's a simple approval vote. If I had a good time, I post a positive review. If I didn't, I don't post a review. That means I help the ladies I had a great time with and do no harm to anyone else.