TRIED to sign up for Lourdes membership. Put in ALL the info (email, phone, business, REAL name, etc.), got to "credit card info,"...they're asking for a NUMBER to put a $1000 hold on (I think).
NOTHING against "Lourdes." They can run THEIR business as they choose, but it becomes a "Catch 22" situation - I'm not going to "choose" just ANY PS. I wanna see if they have my ATFs. If not, I'll go elsewhere.
But in order to find out if they even HAVE one of my ATFs, I have to submit the credit info, and leave myself OPEN to having a GRAND potentially subtracted from my account.
Not saying they would do it with ANY malicious intentions, just that as an enterprise run by HUMAN beings, the potential for ERROR always exist. A $1000 error is a LITTLE too rich for my blood.
Don't mean to OFFEND anyone. Again, I'm SURE "Lourdes" is run on the UP and UP. Just don't feel COMFORTABLE putting that amount of CREDIT at risk. SORRY.
Any fellow members got ANY ideas/opinions? Thanks.
And please, let's keep it RESPECTFUL... 
I don't blame you as I wouldn't trust that either. That being said you don't need a membership to book any of the models.
The "membership" thing is just to get money out of people.
100% of the thousand dollars applies to your first appointment , but I believe that it's yearly I saw some girls several years ago ,and now i've been told I need to put down another thousand dollars ,but they're totally legit , and have a great talent list ,so if you know you're going to see somebody it's worth it .
I've used them and am signed up for their UTR list. It cost an arm and leg but was well worth it. It's a one time fee for membership, and they don't require deposits moving forward. I have no complaints about any of the agencies, but when I've worked with Lourdes, it's been similar to working with a concierge at a high class hotel.
This was one of the arguments I had with Lita oh so many years ago. It is actually a charge on your account. Lita has claimed on occasion that the charge is a one time charge, that it comes off your first booking, that it's only a "hold" and I don't remember what else she claimed that turned out not to be true. She's inconsistent about what the charge is - in fact, from what I've told, some people she doesn't charge at all and I've heard that the charge is yearly. In any event, the charge is to get a look at her UTR list.
My complaint was that if I saw her UTR list, and didn't want to see any of those girls, I'd have wasted my money. My feeling is that it's the same as deposits - the money is better off in my pocket than hers and there's no need to do it. Other agencies don't charge to see their UTR list (as far as I know).
Furthermore, I wouldn't trust Lita with my credit card info. She's been known to "out" ladies who wanted to remain UTR. If she has no respect for their privacy, do you really think she'll respect yours? And, she has your credit card number which means she can charge things to your card any time she wants. What are you going to do? Complain to your credit card company that an escort agency, that you willing gave your credit card info to didn't have your permission to charge a fee to your card? Complain to the police? Yeah, right.
Sure, Lita may have some ladies that the other agencies don't... but in general, the $1000 charge (and the risk) just isn't worth it.
Good ole' reliable Mr. French, keeping it REAL as always! Thank you, as always, sir!
re: WHAT the deposit ALLOWS you access to - I thought the ONLY way you could access to ANYTHING on her site was to leave the deposit, not JUST the "UTR" list, unless I'm WRONG? (strong possibility) 
Here's what I would suggest that may help you. Email them up front all the verification information they request. Then also ask them if they have the porn star that you are interested in seeing. It may help if you have references from other pornstars. And it might help even more if that pornstar happens to work for them. That's just a guess though and I'm not sure if it makes a difference.
Then explain your hesitance about the deposit and that you have no problem spending the money but only when you've booked the appointment with the star you're interested in.
Be polite in all communication as always.
Who knows, maybe you get lucky?
As far as the agency is concerned, they are very prompt in responding back. And their website is simple to use and easy to search for ladies.
Joe - thanks for the response, but, respectfully, it SHOULDN'T be so HARD.
All we're talking about is allowing a POTENTIAL "customer" the ability to see if what the "seller" is proffering is of any INTEREST to said "customer."
Shouldn't have to go through MULTIPLE hoops, especially when I'm willing to submit personal information equivalent to that associated with opening a BANK or CREDIT card account.
I'm not going to disagree that that's a lot of hoops to go through. But at the same time, if I'm comfortable with the means to get my end goal, who cares? It's a one time thing. And it makes more sense if they have someone exclusively you want to see.
Plus if you think about it, if you can get in WITHOUT putting down a deposit, then how is it any different than verifying with any other agency?
Also, if you're supplying the kind of information it takes to open a bank/credit card (home address, previous employment history, salary, etc.), then you are giving an agency perhaps way too much info 
Anyways, do with the information as you will.
Joe, that's the WHOLE problem in a NUTSHELL - I don't know WHO they represent. They ONLY way to find out, as far as I know, is to fill out that form which INCLUDES the FULL credit card info.
I think that's a BIT excessive. What if they DON'T have anyone I like? They would still be in possession of ALL my info, including that credit info.
Again, not saying "Lourdes" would ever use it in a MALICIOUS manner, just saying it pays to be CAREFUL.
Need I remind any of you gentlemen of the "Ashley Madison" debacle a few years back? Anyone think it COULDN'T happen AGAIN?
'Nuff said.
I have credit cards with a security option. I can create another on-line CC number (CC*) in my on-line account and I can allocate a specific amount to that CC* credit line (and modify it or delete it as needed). In addition, once a vendor taps that CC* reserve, that CC* number will only allow charges from and payments to that vendor.
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I used to use it when I was more worried about sketchy places that I was afraid would accept my single payment and then try to switch to a recurring monthly charge and stuff like that. It also prevents an employee from using my CC* to make unauthorized purchases elsewhere. (After the first use by Lourdes, CC* is locked to Lourdes and cannot be used for Victoria's Secret or Amazon.)
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Even with the security features, I don't think I'd put up $1k just to see a list of names.
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'Nuff said.
Posted By: lololancer
Re: "Catch-22..."
Joe, that's the WHOLE problem in a NUTSHELL - I don't know WHO they represent. They ONLY way to find out, as far as I know, is to fill out that form which INCLUDES the FULL credit card info.
I think that's a BIT excessive. What if they DON'T have anyone I like? They would still be in possession of ALL my info, including that credit info.
Again, not saying "Lourdes" would ever use it in a MALICIOUS manner, just saying it pays to be CAREFUL.
Need I remind any of you gentlemen of the "Ashley Madison" debacle a few years back? Anyone think it COULDN'T happen AGAIN?
'Nuff said.
WOW! Holy Moly, BATMAN! (R.I.P., Adam West!). Stop the PRESSES!
FORGET this silly PS crap - I didn't know what you described was POSSIBLE!
Gotta look into that! Thanks for the tip, sir!
BTW, the LEGENDARY "Mr. French" may not remember, but we once engaged in a thread that covered the topic of CREDIT card use and LE. Trust me. It was an EYE opening discussion (Thanks again for THAT valuable info, Mr. French!).
At the risk of derailing, you've caught my attention. What was the gist of the discussion surrounding credit card use? I've never used it personally outside of paying for review/verification sites.
Posted By: impposter
Re: "Catch-22..."
I have credit cards with a security option. I can create another on-line CC number (CC*) in my on-line account and I can allocate a specific amount to that CC* credit line (and modify it or delete it as needed). In addition, once a vendor taps that CC* reserve, that CC* number will only allow charges from and payments to that vendor.
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I used to use it when I was more worried about sketchy places that I was afraid would accept my single payment and then try to switch to a recurring monthly charge and stuff like that. It also prevents an employee from using my CC* to make unauthorized purchases elsewhere. (After the first use by Lourdes, CC* is locked to Lourdes and cannot be used for Victoria's Secret or Amazon.)
Wow - I'd love to know what bank you have your credit cards with. That seems like a handy feature to have generally, not just for use with Lourdes or other agencies. I know Chase doesn't have that... at least not for personal accounts.
But that's not a problem at all. If you follow the method that I suggested you are NOT providing any credit card information, let alone a deposit. I think you're too stuck on the idea that they require it. You made the thread asking for advice and I've given it to you. But I'm not sure if you're following what I'm saying. At no point did I ever suggest you need to fill out the form or even give them your credit card. They have their email on their website. Use it and inquire using the steps I outlined above in a polite and courteous manner. Those same steps I outlined are commonly the same steps you'd use with ANY other agency when trying to get verified.
If you just want a discussion where others agree with you about the whole deposit thing being ridiculous, then by all means continue the conversation. If you're interested in possibly getting verified and not having to supply financial information then try what I've suggested and see if you have any luck.
Why even bother.....does Lourdes have anything that TLC or HUBH2 doesn't have access to? I've been around quite awhile and haven't heard anything different....but I'm always willing to listen...please advise?
I've been hobbling for many many years....IMO this is a recipe for disaster. Especially reading that what the $1000 represents is not clearly defined and is applied differently to different guys.
My advice.....Next!
Well, I'm willing to give LOURDES the benefit of the doubt.
But if PAM PEAKS, with her OUTDATED, yet EXTENSIVE "stable," can publish their "offerings" WITHOUT credit info, WHY can't LOURDES?
Posted By: lololancer
Re: Mr. French is correct
Well, I'm willing to give LOURDES the benefit of the doubt.
But if PAM PEAKS, with her OUTDATED, yet EXTENSIVE "stable," can publish their "offerings" WITHOUT credit info, WHY can't LOURDES?
I wouldn't give Lita/Lourdes the benefit of anything.
But, anyway, I don't know any place in the U.S. where you have to pay to browse. You don't have to pay to go into Macy's and look around. Even the clubs like Costco let you go in and look around (all you need is a credit card but they don't charge you anything). Even the online dating sites (well at least all the ones I've seen) let you sign up and look around. You can't connect with anyone, and sometimes you can't see the entire profile but you can still browse "for free". So, why does Lita/Lourdes insist on charging you money?
The most obvious reason is that once she has your money, you aint ever seeing it again. And she makes money by guys giving her that deposit, seeing that the ladies she has aren't anything special or are available elsewhere for less and not booking. When that happens, Lita has $1000 in her pocket and she hasn't done anything to earn it. At worst, the guy does a booking with one girl to get the benefit of the credit for the date but Lita's still made her money.
No, the best thing to do is to ignore Lita/Lourdes completely. There are enough good agencies out there: TLC, HUBH, and even Pam with her outdated pages that there really isn't a reason to deal with Lita/Lourdes as far as I can see.
Careful, Mr. French, I think this "Lita" person (never met her) comes onto THIS particular TER board once in AWHILE. Wouldn't want to cause you, or ANYONE else, any GRIEF over MY concerns.
You (and others) are right - there are OTHER options. Worse comes to worse, even Pam with her HIDEOUS pink webpages, but again...Pam DOESN'T charge to take a PEEK (You READING this, "Lourdes/Lita?")
Thanks, gents. Unless "Lourdes/Lita" comes on here and says different, or CHANGES her policy, I'll take my business (and my THOUSAND dollars) elsewhere.
Now, if you KIND gents could point me in the direction on one "Alison Tyler." I intend to PURCHASE her OUTRIGHT, I LOVE her that much! Would you say "FIVE" million would be enough to "buy" her from her PARENTS? LOL
Yes, I know SLAVERY was abolished YEARS ago! But, it doesn't hurt to ASK, does it?! LOL.
Lita is Lita Chase - a former porn star who is the owner of Lourdes Enterprises. If she comes here at all, it's very rare, I think. I don't see her posting anything unless she uses an alias that I'm not aware of... unlike Adonia at TLC who does post here occasionally using the username of TheLuxuryCompanion, or HelpUBookHer who posts here and on the porn ad board, or Pam Peaks who also posts regularly on the porn ad board...
Sending you a PM about Alison.
100% Correct....and....a lot of guys posting in this thread are experienced hobbyist. So to those posting, I'll pose a question. If you were in NYC, LA, SF or any city for that matter and a regular escort agency wanted a substantial deposit to show you their girls...would you pay it???? Of course, you wouldn't...not in a million years. Why is this situation any different? You are opening yourself up to so many ways of getting hosed its crazy. The girl isn't available today, the girl quit escorting, you book an appointment and the girl doesn't show up, she's drugged out or hungover, somebody else shows up????
The other problem with this thread is...there is a lot of very experienced guys who will read it, blow it off and go to TLC or HUBH2...no problem.
The REAL problem is....for everyone of us who blows Lourdes site off because we have the means to hobby and see porn stars occasionally...there are 10 inexperienced guys who have a hard cock for a particular porn star... who seeing her is a once in a lifetime opportunity. They read this... pay their once in a lifetime money to see this girl...and then loses their $$$$.
My advice to everyone here whether a regular poster or occasionally lurker....READ AND LISTEN TO MR. FRENCH....
I second that EMOTION - Mr. French is THE man!
He may get CRUSTY sometimes ("get off my lawn"), but he's STILL the man!
And if THIS isn't enough to WAKE you the @#$% up, take a look at the "Candace Von" thread a few threads down.
That one is downright TRAGIC, gents, downright TRAGIC... (SMH...).
They most definitely do have access to other talent that TLC and HUBH2 do not have. Well I can only speak for the latter. Just like those agencies probably have talent that Lourdes does not have. Most of these agencies have a few exclusives for one reason or another. In fact, it's the only reason I reached out to Lourdes in the first place.
Posted By: mrjoesmalls
Re: Mr. French is correct
They most definitely do have access to other talent that TLC and HUBH2 do not have. Well I can only speak for the latter. Just like those agencies probably have talent that Lourdes does not have. Most of these agencies have a few exclusives for one reason or another. In fact, it's the only reason I reached out to Lourdes in the first place.
I'm pretty sure that if a particular lady is available, Adonia at TLC can probably book her. I know she's booked other ladies that she doesn't list on her website and she has connections. And I know some of the ladies have been on tour in NYC with other agencies who boast about her being in NYC on an "exclusive tour" with them... and I've reached out to Adonia who has booked them for me anyway.
Frankly, if you were the female who got called up by Adonia and were told that a gent was offering X amount of money, and you needed the money, do you really think any "exclusive" relationship you might have with another agency would stay exclusive? Money is money. The girls would not be escorting if it weren't for the money (well, 95% of them anyway, there are a few who are just raging nymphomanics who need lots of cock and this is an easy way to find them.
It's certainly possible. I just know that some of the ladies I've seen, I've asked specifically why they are only with this agency, etc. and I've gotten different reasons but some were clear that they didn't trust how other agencies did their business (as in they tried other agencies and then swapped back). Please note, I'm not talking about Lourdes or anyone particular agency here. It's just the reasoning the lady used as to why they didn't book with other agencies hence my point that some agencies WILL have exclusives. But you make a good point in that you should always ask all the agencies you're with whether the lady is available because you never know which agency will produce what you want.
Speaking of, I should probably try to get verified with a few other agencies that I'm not with yet.
Joe,
This is not meant in a mean way at all....but who do they really have access to that TLC or HUBH2 can't get access to?
A couple of years ago I had a real desire to see a UTR PYT Porn Star who was new in the industry. There was a rumor and a vague thread here that she may be available. So I posted a thread about the girl generally inquiring about possible UTR availability. Within a day.....one day....I got a pm from both Adonia and HUBH2 telling me the could make it happen on the Left Coast and at what price point. No money upfront...just show up and pay for the appointment.
My point especially to newer hobbyists who lurk and want to take the porn star plunge.....listen to Mr. French...no agenda just trying to help a brother out....
I'm not refuting that one should shop around. Nothing to lose and potentially money to be saved by shopping around. Not going to disagree that one should never pay a deposit.
However, there are most definitely ladies who have been exclusive to specific agencies. The one star (she's UTR and I'm going to respect that) I joined Lourdes for is not available with any of the other agencies that I'm aware of. And I ask them every now and then whenever I hear she's touring to NYC. They simply dont have access to her. I've also seen this with one other agency that people hate here
I'm not debating the wisdom and experience you guys have. Not debating that other agencies have access to a lot of UTR talent. All I'm saying is that if your end goal is to see a particular woman and you know she's with one agency and others can't access her, then do you have anything to lose by getting verified with that agency if you don't have to put down a deposit? It seems rather silly to dismiss an agency simply because they say they require a deposit. You never have anything to lose by asking politely about it. In this particular case, it has already been established in this discussion they actually don't always require it and will give you access to the list. Do they operate differently from other agencies? Sure. But who cares if you can get to see the star you want?
As to your last point. Like I said earlier, lots of guys here have a lot of experience with stars and agencies. But if I listened to some of the posters here, I wouldn't join or interact with certain agencies as well which have provided me with great experiences.
My advice to new hobbyists. Be polite in all communication to agencies and escorts. Be secure in the modes of communication you give to agencies. Never put down deposits. Shop around. Despite what posters say, always be willing to contact an agency or escort. If you're not putting a deposit down, you're not losing anything. All bets are off if you're hearing experiences about LEOs or bait/switch or blackmail from other posters.
OK, here's the part I'm NOT getting - HOW can I find OUT if a CERTAIN agency has what I'm LOOKING for if they REQUIRE me to submit CREDIT card information to do so?
Unless I MISSED something, "Lourdes/Lita's" PERSONAL contact info is not on the SITE.
I believe this is an EXAMPLE of what people refer to as a "Catch-22."
I see now the confusion and can understand why that would see impossible to do without submitting financial info.
Their info is right on their website. Click on the "Enter Site" button and on the top right corner you will see their contact info. I'd post it but my previous post got rejected.
When i first reached out to Lourdes it was about a particular lady on one of the eros cities. (I forget who but irrelevant to the topic). That girl had them as their website location so I emailed them.
I then asked them what verification info they needed and gave it to them. Since then I get emails and texts on the regular on who's available or coming to my area. (Live in western ny so the nearest major area is NYC). In addition to that I have on several occasions asked for their full roster and since i'm verified THEY FREELY GIVE IT. As I'm a black man they'll even sort it so that the ones listed are ok with my ethnicity.
Now i will admit they do tend to out the UTRs but so far i have no issues with them. In fact after the Candace Von incident i'll only do deposits with agencies. They are ok with partials over time which is perfect for a non big timer.
Posted By: VirginPerv1
Re: Not my experience at all
When i first reached out to Lourdes it was about a particular lady on one of the eros cities. (I forget who but irrelevant to the topic). That girl had them as their website location so I emailed them.
I then asked them what verification info they needed and gave it to them. Since then I get emails and texts on the regular on who's available or coming to my area. (Live in western ny so the nearest major area is NYC). In addition to that I have on several occasions asked for their full roster and since i'm verified THEY FREELY GIVE IT. As I'm a black man they'll even sort it so that the ones listed are ok with my ethnicity.
Now i will admit they do tend to out the UTRs but so far i have no issues with them. In fact after the Candace Von incident i'll only do deposits with agencies. They are ok with partials over time which is perfect for a non big timer.
As I said before, Lita's policy changes periodically. My guess is that since you booked with them once already, Lita's waived the access fee for the roster.
As for how they are ok with you and do things for you... well, just wait until you say the wrong thing or do the wrong thing and then see how things go. Just wait until the first time the lady you booked doesn't show up, for example...
From what I read, he did NOT book anyone. He simply verified with them and now he gets the listings/ads emailed to him. This was my exact experience. I did NOT put a deposit down. I did not book anyone for well over a year. But I did approach them nicely and I did give them all the verification info they wanted minus the financial stuff. Didn't get me access to the website until after I booked an appointment. This is what I've tried suggesting above, but the original poster is stuck on the deposit fee as if its something iron clad requirement.
I think your last line can apply to ANY agency. And if it were a frequent occurrence you'd have people complaining about it here which we've also seen before on this message board. I may have missed it but I've never heard any similar complaints about Lourdes.
Just to be CLEAR, "Joe," I'm NOT stuck on ANYTHING.
I'm simply trying to get clarification on HOW a certain agency interacts with NEW clients.
Based off of that, I'm subsequently asking fellow members, ESPECIALLY those who've dealt with said agency in the past, HOW to proceed.
THIS is a DISCUSSION board, open to ANY and ALL themes related to the topic, PORN STARS.
I believe that an agency such as Lourdes, one I that I ASSUME represents "porn stars," would FIT the bill.
Then again, I can only ASSUME they represent "porn stars" because, AGAIN, unless you submit SPECIFIC and COMPLETE credit card information, you are NOT allowed to SEE just WHO they represent.
And if THAT'S the way they choose to conduct THEIR business, then I DON'T need to PARTICIPATE in THEIR enterprise.
That is correct I have not booked through Lita yet. Just got verified by giving the info and references requested.
Posted By: mrjoesmalls
Re: Not my experience at all
From what I read, he did NOT book anyone. He simply verified with them and now he gets the listings/ads emailed to him. This was my exact experience. I did NOT put a deposit down. I did not book anyone for well over a year. But I did approach them nicely and I did give them all the verification info they wanted minus the financial stuff. Didn't get me access to the website until after I booked an appointment. This is what I've tried suggesting above, but the original poster is stuck on the deposit fee as if its something iron clad requirement.
I think your last line can apply to ANY agency. And if it were a frequent occurrence you'd have people complaining about it here which we've also seen before on this message board. I may have missed it but I've never heard any similar complaints about Lourdes.
Lita Lourdes is really expensive and charges an extra $500 than the other agencies. All I have to say is that the girls I've got from her (Inari Vachs and Kagney Linn Karter) went the extra mile and pleased me really well. They didn't charge extras for their little holes like others do.
Posted By: nelsonnorman
Re: Lourdes
Lita Lourdes is really expensive and charges an extra $500 than the other agencies. All I have to say is that the girls I've got from her (Inari Vachs and Kagney Linn Karter) went the extra mile and pleased me really well. They didn't charge extras for their little holes like others do.
I believe both of those ladies are available through other agencies for less. And I've never had to pay for "extras" with a porn star - it's always been a flat fee. Yes, Lourdes is more expensive than the other agencies.
However, I will concede the point that someone else made that some ladies won't work with particular agencies for various reasons. And some agencies won't work with particular ladies. For example, I know a few ladies who left TLC for various reasons but I also know that Adonia won't work with some ladies for various reasons. But I stand by my opinion that if someone is available, other agencies can probably book her. And some agencies - the good ones like TLC - will warn you away from girls that do drugs, or charge for "extras" once you're in the room...
The difference is that with some agencies (like TLC) you're a respected client whose business you want to keep. With Lita (and some other agencies) you're an ATM and nothing more. In my opinion, of course. YMMV.
I agree on that. Lita is way too expensive and her methods are not really orthodox but she delivers. Inari gave me her phone number so I could book her directly for less but Kagney refused to do it. She said that she preferred to get booked through the agency because that way she feels safe and doesn't have to deal with many things. About the extras, I asked Francesca Le for her little hole and she asked for $300 more. Same thing with Keisha. Inari and Kagney said that it's usually an extra charge for that service but made an exception with me. But bottom line it's way better to avoid Lourdes if you can.
Posted By: nelsonnorman
Re: Lourdes
I agree on that. Lita is way too expensive and her methods are not really orthodox but she delivers. Inari gave me her phone number so I could book her directly for less but Kagney refused to do it. She said that she preferred to get booked through the agency because that way she feels safe and doesn't have to deal with many things. About the extras, I asked Francesca Le for her little hole and she asked for $300 more. Same thing with Keisha. Inari and Kagney said that it's usually an extra charge for that service but made an exception with me. But bottom line it's way better to avoid Lourdes if you can.
I haven't talked to her about it, but my guess is that the reason Adonia doesn't represent ladies like Inari is because they play these games with "extras". I know every time I've spoken to Adonia about booking, I've told her what I wanted, and she's come back with one price and the porn star never asked for more for any "extras". Now, it's possible that the "extras" are already figured into the one price I was quoted but that's the way it should be. There shouldn't be any surprises on the date, nor talk of any money. I should know in advance how much the date will cost, have it in an envelop and just drop it on a desk in the room without another word about money or "extras" or anything.
I can well understand Kagney's attitude of only booking through agencies so she'll feel safe and not have to deal with things. That makes perfect sense to me and I have no problem with that. It's meant on occasion where I've talked to a porn star at a club or expo that I can't see her that night because I have to call Adonia but I can understand her desire to be safe being alone in a hotel room with a total stranger.
Have you seen Inari or Franceesca Le recently. Did you a review on this site of Inari or Francesca?
They are very legit, you will not have any issues with them and their Talent list is the best!!
With ALL due respect, brother -
so I'm supposed to take YOUR word for it, provide a business I've NEVER dealt with my CREDIT card info, where they MAY proceed to put a HOLD on at least 1K of my credit, which I may or may not use because I DON'T know WHO they represent?
Thanks, but NO thanks.
There ARE other options out there.
I've since discovered them and plan to use them moving forward.
I happen to catch a classic scene with her. If she still looks the same, I'd love to see her... she has an amazing body.
