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How Barack Obama paved the way for Donald Trump......
saltyballs 2269 reads
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A great read and a good summation of why many voters within the so called "Obama coalition" stayed home and refused to vote for HRC.

For the past eight years American liberals have gorged themselves on symbolism. A significant section of the population, including people of color, have never felt better about their country even as they have fared worse in it. The young, good-looking, intact, scandal-free black family in the White House embodied a hopeful future for America and beyond. , with an understated chic, here were people of color who looked even better in black and white. With personal stories of progress without privilege, they provided Camelot without the castle: evoking a sense of possibility in a period of economic stagnation, social immobility and political uncertainty.

As Obama passes the keys and the codes to Donald Trump at the end of this week, so many progressives mourn the passing of what has been, they remain in a state of disbelief for what has happened, and express deep anxiety about what is to come. It is a steep cliff – politically, rhetorically and aesthetically – from the mocha-complexioned consensual intellectual to the permatanned, “pussy-grabbing” vulgarian.

But there is a connection between the “new normal” and the old that must be understood if resistance in the Trump era is going to amount to more than Twitter memes driven by impotent rage and fuelled by flawed nostalgia. This transition is not simply a matter of sequence – one bad president following a good one – but consequence: one horrendous agenda made possible by the failure of its predecessor.

It is easy for progressives to despise Trump. He is a thin-skinned charlatan, a self-proclaimed sexual harasser, a blusterer and a bigot. One need not exhaust any moral energy in making the case against his agenda. That is precisely what makes it so difficult to understand his appeal. Similarly, it is easy for progressives to love Obama. He’s measured, thoughtful, smart and eloquent – and did some good things despite strong opposition from Republicans. That is precisely what makes it so difficult for progressives to provide a principled and plausible critique of his presidency.

One cannot totally blame Obama for Trump. It was the Republicans – craven to the mob within their base, which they have always courted but ultimately could not control – that nominated and, for now, indulges him. And yet it would be disingenuous to claim Trump rose from a vacuum that bore no relationship to the previous eight years.

Some of that relationship is undeniably tied up in who Obama is: a black man, with a lapsed Muslim father from Kenya. That particular constellation of identities was like catnip to an increasingly strident wing of the Republican party in a time of war, migration and racial tumult. Trump did not invent racism. Indeed, race-baiting has been a staple of Republican party strategy for more than 50 years. But as he refused to observe the electoral etiquette of the Nixon strategy (“You have to face the fact that the whole problem is really the blacks,” Richard Nixon told his chief-of-staff, HR Haldeman. “The key is to devise a system that recognises that while not appearing to”), his campaign descended into a litany of brazen racist taunts.
Racism’s role should not be underplayed, but its impact can arguably be overstated. While Trump evidently emboldened existing racists, it’s not obvious that he created new ones. He received the same proportion of the white vote as Mitt Romney in 2012 and George W Bush in 2004. It does not follow that because Trump’s racism was central to his meaning for liberals, it was necessarily central to his appeal for Republicans.

There is a deeper connection, however, between Trump’s rise and what Obama did – or rather didn’t do – economically. He entered the White House at a moment of economic crisis, with Democratic majorities in both Houses and bankers on the back foot. Faced with the choice of preserving the financial industry as it was or embracing far-reaching reforms that would have served the interests of those who voted for him, he chose the former.

Just a couple of months into his first term he called a meeting of banking executives. “The president had us at a moment of real vulnerability,” one of them told Ron Suskind in his book Confidence Men. “At that point, he could have ordered us to do just about anything and we would have rolled over. But he didn’t – he mostly wanted to help us out, to quell the mob.” People lost their homes while bankers kept their bonuses and banks kept their profits.

In 2010 Damon Silvers of the independent congressional oversight panel told Treasury officials: “We can either have a rational resolution to the foreclosure crisis, or we can preserve the capital structure of the banks. We can’t do both.” They chose the latter. Not surprisingly, this was not popular. Three years into Obama’s first term 58% of the country – including an overwhelming majority of Democrats and independents – wanted the government to help stop foreclosures. His Treasury secretary, Timothy Geithner, did the opposite, setting up a programme that would “foam the runway” for the banks.

So when Hillary Clinton stood for Obama’s third term, the problem wasn’t just a lack of imagination: it was that the first two terms had not lived up to their promise.

This time last year, fewer than four in 10 were happy with Obama’s economic policies. When asked last week to assess progress under Obama 56% of Americans said the country had lost ground or stood still on the economy, while 48% said it had lost ground on the gap between the rich and poor – against just 14% who said it gained ground. These were the Obama coalition – black and young and poor – who did not vote in November, making Trump’s victory possible. Those whose hopes are not being met: people more likely to go to the polls because they are inspired about a better future than because they fear a worse one.

Naturally, Trump’s cabinet of billionaires will do no better and will, in all likelihood, do far worse. And even as we protest about the legitimacy of the “new normal”, we should not pretend it is replacing something popular or effective. The old normal was not working. The premature nostalgia for the Obamas in the White House is not a yearning for Obama’s policies

FatVern211 reads

What I read were some good observation... Trump is President, due to the fact Obama won, based on Bush's FP, Trump effectively ran against the Obama Administrations FP, which featured a lot of influence by Clinton.  

When foreign entities fund U.S. political parties, the main issue is going to be foreign policy.  

 

You think the popular opinions of the American people decide elections?

ATLDAWG207 reads

Yo' Salty!   Can you spell "Brief and Concise"?

Posted By: saltyballs
A great read and a good summation of why many voters within the so called "Obama coalition" stayed home and refused to vote for HRC.  
   
 For the past eight years American liberals have gorged themselves on symbolism. A significant section of the population, including people of color, have never felt better about their country even as they have fared worse in it. The young, good-looking, intact, scandal-free black family in the White House embodied a hopeful future for America and beyond. , with an understated chic, here were people of color who looked even better in black and white. With personal stories of progress without privilege, they provided Camelot without the castle: evoking a sense of possibility in a period of economic stagnation, social immobility and political uncertainty.  
   
 As Obama passes the keys and the codes to Donald Trump at the end of this week, so many progressives mourn the passing of what has been, they remain in a state of disbelief for what has happened, and express deep anxiety about what is to come. It is a steep cliff – politically, rhetorically and aesthetically – from the mocha-complexioned consensual intellectual to the permatanned, “pussy-grabbing” vulgarian.  
   
 But there is a connection between the “new normal” and the old that must be understood if resistance in the Trump era is going to amount to more than Twitter memes driven by impotent rage and fuelled by flawed nostalgia. This transition is not simply a matter of sequence – one bad president following a good one – but consequence: one horrendous agenda made possible by the failure of its predecessor.  
   
 It is easy for progressives to despise Trump. He is a thin-skinned charlatan, a self-proclaimed sexual harasser, a blusterer and a bigot. One need not exhaust any moral energy in making the case against his agenda. That is precisely what makes it so difficult to understand his appeal. Similarly, it is easy for progressives to love Obama. He’s measured, thoughtful, smart and eloquent – and did some good things despite strong opposition from Republicans. That is precisely what makes it so difficult for progressives to provide a principled and plausible critique of his presidency.  
   
 One cannot totally blame Obama for Trump. It was the Republicans – craven to the mob within their base, which they have always courted but ultimately could not control – that nominated and, for now, indulges him. And yet it would be disingenuous to claim Trump rose from a vacuum that bore no relationship to the previous eight years.  
   
 Some of that relationship is undeniably tied up in who Obama is: a black man, with a lapsed Muslim father from Kenya. That particular constellation of identities was like catnip to an increasingly strident wing of the Republican party in a time of war, migration and racial tumult. Trump did not invent racism. Indeed, race-baiting has been a staple of Republican party strategy for more than 50 years. But as he refused to observe the electoral etiquette of the Nixon strategy (“You have to face the fact that the whole problem is really the blacks,” Richard Nixon told his chief-of-staff, HR Haldeman. “The key is to devise a system that recognises that while not appearing to”), his campaign descended into a litany of brazen racist taunts.  
 Racism’s role should not be underplayed, but its impact can arguably be overstated. While Trump evidently emboldened existing racists, it’s not obvious that he created new ones. He received the same proportion of the white vote as Mitt Romney in 2012 and George W Bush in 2004. It does not follow that because Trump’s racism was central to his meaning for liberals, it was necessarily central to his appeal for Republicans.  
   
 There is a deeper connection, however, between Trump’s rise and what Obama did – or rather didn’t do – economically. He entered the White House at a moment of economic crisis, with Democratic majorities in both Houses and bankers on the back foot. Faced with the choice of preserving the financial industry as it was or embracing far-reaching reforms that would have served the interests of those who voted for him, he chose the former.  
   
 Just a couple of months into his first term he called a meeting of banking executives. “The president had us at a moment of real vulnerability,” one of them told Ron Suskind in his book Confidence Men. “At that point, he could have ordered us to do just about anything and we would have rolled over. But he didn’t – he mostly wanted to help us out, to quell the mob.” People lost their homes while bankers kept their bonuses and banks kept their profits.  
   
 In 2010 Damon Silvers of the independent congressional oversight panel told Treasury officials: “We can either have a rational resolution to the foreclosure crisis, or we can preserve the capital structure of the banks. We can’t do both.” They chose the latter. Not surprisingly, this was not popular. Three years into Obama’s first term 58% of the country – including an overwhelming majority of Democrats and independents – wanted the government to help stop foreclosures. His Treasury secretary, Timothy Geithner, did the opposite, setting up a programme that would “foam the runway” for the banks.  
   
 So when Hillary Clinton stood for Obama’s third term, the problem wasn’t just a lack of imagination: it was that the first two terms had not lived up to their promise.  
   
 This time last year, fewer than four in 10 were happy with Obama’s economic policies. When asked last week to assess progress under Obama 56% of Americans said the country had lost ground or stood still on the economy, while 48% said it had lost ground on the gap between the rich and poor – against just 14% who said it gained ground. These were the Obama coalition – black and young and poor – who did not vote in November, making Trump’s victory possible. Those whose hopes are not being met: people more likely to go to the polls because they are inspired about a better future than because they fear a worse one.  
   
 Naturally, Trump’s cabinet of billionaires will do no better and will, in all likelihood, do far worse. And even as we protest about the legitimacy of the “new normal”, we should not pretend it is replacing something popular or effective. The old normal was not working. The premature nostalgia for the Obamas in the White House is not a yearning for Obama’s policies.  
   
   
   
 

...for your well thought out perspective, it's about time to read a post without all the name calling & petty shitfighting.

Mr.M.Johnson321 reads

but you're way over-complicating it!  Trumpers wanna believe that Trump won Bigly or HHuuuuge and they come up with 15 reasons why, including Trump will MAGA and Hillary's a crook.

But, facts and statistics are important

Trump won PA, FL, WI and MI by an average of .7%.  Clearly without Putin and Comey Hillary wins all of these states and the election.  
 
Yeah, Hillary was a bad candidate, but she woulda won in a landslide in an "honest" race
 
 http://www.mediaite.com/online/nate-silver-clinton-wouldve-almost-certainly-become-president-if-not-for-comeys-letter/  
 
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/elections/live_results/2016_general/president/map.htm

saltyballs255 reads

.....which is not what the Obama coalition were interested in hearing, they wanted "real" change this time.

GaGambler242 reads

You simply copied and pasted them for your linked article.

Personally, I think the author is a wind bag who used a lot of words to say very little. However he does make a couple of salient points, not the least of which is that despite his rhetoric to the contrary, Obama was much more beholden to the Wall Street bankers than to the common people, and that Hillary would have been much the same.

Other than that, it was just a bunch of blah blah blah to me.

You actually said it better than the guy in the article, with a LOT less words to boot. HRC would have been "more of the same" it appears the voting public, especially in the rust belt battleground states where the election was won and lost, was sick and tired of "more of the same"

...Another stupid ass GaG. assumption, well this as you say dumbfuck did read the entire article & while it  maybe a bit to much reading for your small mind at least it was fairly well balanced & didn't promote the usual shit fighting & name calling you seem to thrive on.

... but using honesty & Donald Trump even in the same paragraph borders on blasphemy.

nuguy46224 reads

Media keep saying Obama approval rating exceeds 50%, based on polling.

Is this the same pollsters that said Hillary was going to win??

Mr.M.Johnson148 reads

I showed actual voting results, not polls

Voting results, are facts....

Trumpster won 4 states by .7% each

I thought my campaign manager was  dreaming when she sent me to Michigan numerous times.  
   
 After MAGA President -Elect Trump won with electoral landslide against loser forecasts from all the odds makers, I knew for sure, I'd been working for the most adaptive, energized, intelligent campaign.
   
If the DNC and HRC had run an honest campaign, not conspired against Bernie Sanders, not been spoon fed Debate questions before the debate by a moderator, not mocked Black citizens, etc, HRC might have had a much better chance of not losing in an electoral landslide, regardless how many of her emails were released.
  Dissing LE  was  an extremely stupid move on her part.

 I have no doubts, if Evil HRC had run her campaign differently we would have adapted and won.
 
  If the popular vote determined the Presidential winner, myself and many others on the winning campaign team would have been sent to major liberal cities in California, NY and elsewhere, we would have won  at least twenty million more popular votes than loser HRC and won.  
   
Bottom Line:  Evil HRC and  DNC colluding methods of cheating finally caught up with them.  
 
 You might have a chance next time if the DNC nominates your Presidential  candidate, not select by a dumbed down Queen's decree.  
 
  If  Russian hackers "were"responsible for exposing HRC and associates  emails containing racism, collusion, corruption, bigotry, theft, I'll still sleep better with my belief, President Trump will look out for America first and not be obsessed with regime change and nation building, like Evil war mongering HRC.  
   

   
 "Trump won PA, FL, WI and MI by an average of .7%.  
    Yeah, Hillary was a bad candidate, but she woulda won in a landslide in an "honest" race"

Mr.M.Johnson265 reads

"Trump coulda won CA and NY if we tried."  LOL. At least you didn't blame it on the millions of illegal votes per Trump.  You're saying that instead of losing popular vote by 3 million Trump coulda won by 20 million?!  So, instead of it being 65 million for Hillary and 62 million for Trump, you're sayin it woulda been 75 million for Trump and 55 million for Hillary!?  If you believe that, I own a bridge - it connects Manhattan to Brooklyn - I'll sell it to you cheap - you can rename it "Quad Bridge" and you can charge everybody $2 - you'll be filthy rich in no time

Apparently facts/numbers confuse you, so, I'll try one more time:  Trump won 4 states by less than 1% each.  Without Putin's help and without Comey's help, Hillary wins all 4 of those states

Facts are facts, even if they're inconvenient for yo

GaGambler216 reads

and claimed that he was too much of a political novice to be POTUS. But now that Trump has proven he knows exactly how to play the game, you and the dems call your own game rigged. You have no idea just how comical and pathetic you guys look.

If the rules were different and the popular vote was how the election was determined, there would be anything such as Battle Ground states and both candidates would spend all their time in places like NY and CA, but those are NOT the rules so get over it. Who knows how many votes Trump would have gotten if that was his goal. His goal was to get 270+ Electoral votes and he far exceeded that goal.

Mr.M.Johnson226 reads

are you saying that Russia/Putin and Comey had nothing to do w/Trump winning??!!?? - it was all MAGA Trump?!?!  Gamblers are usually pretty-good with numbers and odds but you're ignoring simple arithmetic.   .7& in 4 swing states won it for the Team of Trump, Putin and Comey.  Without the latter two, Trump loses electoral college bigly - by 100

btw, I'm over it, however, Trump scares me to death with his friendship w/BF Putin, and his "let's hava nukes contest"

I personally don't care about his replacing ObamaCare w/TrumpCare 'cause I don't have ObamaCare, but, when the Repubs cause 20 million to loses their insurance, it'll make my day because many of the people on ObamaCare are poor people who lost their jobs when their plants closed - these people will soon realize that Trump ain't bringing their jobs back.  These people made Trump competitive - he won 75-25% of rural uneducateds.  They're gonna find out that Trump MAW (Made America Worse) for them

The over - under on Trump's presidency is 2 years.  His conflicts of interest and the - unfortunate for him - Emoluments Clause will force him to resign or be impeached and removed

Will  recession on  South Korea horizon rapidly closing in on their shores  affect us?

  Take it from someone on the  team, MAGA President-Elect Trump is not racist.    
 
  President-Elect Trump  racism accusations are falsely  perpetuated by Main Street Media, the number 1 enabler for our winning campaign.

                 "a self-proclaimed sexual harasser"
    We can thank cultural acceptance of Rap music with aggressive sexual lyrics for many voters, including women,  accepting  pussy grabbing.  
    Honorable mention to Bill Clinton for defining BJ's as non sexual.
   
   Regardless, Always remember, if she says No  that translates to  STOP in every language

Mr.M.Johnson213 reads

is different from getting a blowjob from Monica Lewinski.  While I wasn't under the desk w/Monica, what she did was voluntary

Hhuuuuuuuge differenc

FatVern196 reads

Posted By: Mr.M.Johnson
is different from getting a blowjob from Monica Lewinski.  While I wasn't under the desk w/Monica, what she did was voluntary  
   
 Hhuuuuuuuge difference  
 

I can only answer for myself.
 Due to their reaction, I have no doubt, almost all  the pussy I grabbed was evidently
   hoping for my hand.

    Only one said No, I immediately stopped like a Gentleman would.
    Even though she said NO I continued spending spent a lot of money on her, relatively
     speaking with lot of money descriptor.
 
  It works both ways....During my most popular years I told a few Gals, "Hands Off"  when they grabbed my dick without my permission or flirtatious  request intent.

     
  In my past when I was working at menial jobs, sometimes as the boss I had a few hot Gals in training, similar to Monica but very pretty and not White and chunky .  
  Yes, a large restaurant will often have a chief dishwasher.  

 When I was Chief I never attempted to grab pussy of a hot  underling in training like some bosses do.  
  Slick Willy comes to mind.

   Now that I have an upscale job with  a great Boss I'm making much more money.
   If my GF dumps me I might go back to my indiscriminate pussy grabbing days like most men would if they thought they had a chance..  
   
   Always remember if she says No that means NO.  
  Tomorrow is always another day. :-D

Monica was a young intern and Bill the most powerful man in the world.  To my mind, the sex was coerced and amounted to sexual misconduct on his part.

One factor I've not heard much about, other than a clip on CNN's GPS, regarding the reaction to the first woman to the British Parliament, is the issue of rapid change. In systems theory, systems react to change that is too dramatic, and too rapid. Having the first Black President was a destabilizing factor to our political system. Any further change, like electing the 1st woman president was met by a reaction, by the system to further change. Probably, the only reason Obama won, in the first place, was because change was so strongly desired by at least half the country; partially fostered by Bushe's failures. However, the systems nature of stabilizing itself, after significant change, dampened the desire, consciously, and unconsciously, of those who had desired the change Obama represented. In my view, this is the predominate reason why any thing that could be viewed as a negative against Hillary (email, Benghazi, Clinton Foundation and pay to play, stuck, while very little stuck to Trump. It will probably be some time before we have another president of color, or a woman president. JMHO!  ;)

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