Hell, by his reasoning, all women should be also. Anyone, who was not viewed one hundred per cent human, should be.
Santorum's Non-Gaffe
Posted by Joe Klein
January 21, 2011 at 11:18 am 42 Comments I disagree with Rick Santorum on almost everything, including abortion. But this recent kerfuffle about the former Pennsylvania Senator's remarks about black people, including the President, and abortion is a classic example of political correctness run amok. Indeed, there is an internal logic to Santorum's remarks that represents the exact opposite of racism.
First, you must understand that Santorum truly believes that abortion is murder--at any point after conception, even when the mother's health is at risk (as it was in the case of one of his wife's pregnancies). This is an extreme position, but not an implausible one. If you believe that a fetus is a person, then abortion is the denial of its most basic right--the right to exist. According to Santorum, the only other category of Americans whose civil rights were so severely truncated were slaves. He's right about that
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is that if you're Black, you should identify with the fetus under threat of abortion, due to your history originating from being descendants of slaves. And, if you identify, as such, you should agree with my argument about when a fetus becomes a person.
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is that they beleive that abortion is murder and that ¨everybody¨ should be against it. You and they are all guilty of twisting the words of you opposition to make the other side look manipulative or foolish. You are just as guilty of this as Santorum or any of the anti abortion crowd.
Yes, he says that because of his views on when human life begins, and when one becomes a human being, everyone should be against abortion. The reality is that few people are for abortion, not even those who have them. But, there are plenty who believe people should have a choice as to when to have one.
No, I am not twisting his words. I'm pointing to a strategy he is using. He is using a strategy or device that prosecution and defense lawyers use call identification. The prosecution lawyer wants each juror to identify with the victim, based on some time in their personal history when they have been victimized. The defense lawyer wants to have each juror identify with the defendant based on when they have been victimized by someone unjustly accusing them of something that they were not guilty of doing. Each will say that the case hinges only on the evidence, or lack of it. And, though neither the prosecution nor the defense attorneys will say it explicitly, much is done and said implicitly to get each juror to identify with either the victim or the defendant.
Santorum never had to say anything about slavery, but it is implicit in his reference to Blacks being 3/5 human, because that was one of the justifications for slavery. He is trying to equate, in a Black person's mind, having the ancestry of slaves and the lack of protection under the law that slaves had, with lack of protection under the law that the unborn fetus has. Since many Blacks have no ancestry of slavery, and Blacks have equality and protection under the law now, it's a bogus point. Just like anything a prosecution or defense lawyer does or says to get a juror to identify with the victim or the defendant, base on the juror's personal history and experience is bogus.
the thing that I thought was stupid about the comment was the view that blacks should think a certain way. Although this has been the view of the left. Thomas was not "really" black because he didn't think....
In the past I have heard many libs attack conservative blacks saying that blacks shouldn't think that way.
I thought it was dumb then and think it is dumb now.
As you know, I disagree with Obama on a lot of things, but I don't expect him to think a particular way because he is black. (I do expect him to think a particular way because of his background.)
...every out-of-touch white man's enabler. You all take that one anomaly and cling on to it for dear life, don't you? I've often wondered if good ole Clarence regrets making himself into a poster boy for every idiot with a point to make about race.
No one ever said that Thomas wasn't "really black." He's definitely that. I mean, they don't make skin paint for that shit. But whatever hyperbolic statement helps you make your argument, right? What many have acknowledged is their suspicions that he's adopted certain unrealistic points of view to allow himself access to the ivory tower...and it's BLACK PEOPLE who've expressed that, Phil. Independently of "the left." It may shock you, but black people aren't led around by ideology and political parties as you would imply; just the reality of being the color that they are in this country. I don't think that you'd disagree that black people are intimately familiar with being black...actually, you probably would.
Rick Santorum....President Obama would probably have a Reagan 1984 landslide win if Santorum were to be the republican nominee...Ok, ok Obama won't win 49 states like Reagan did but he'd win 38+...
People are only pro-choice as long as the choice made is aborting someone else.
I'm in favor of abortion. We need more of it.
ben, Trannyboy et al would be prime candidates for ¨post natal¨ abortions extending to about the three hundredth trimester. lol
would be if there were no abortions. 47 million since Roe v Wade, that's a lot of potential voters. Think of how many Einsteins or Hawkings could have been in that group. Or conversely, some Jeffrey Dahmers and John Wayne Gacys. We'll never know. 47 million taxpayers terminated.
Like, "can you hear one hand clapping."
How could it be otherwise???
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that Shelly Berman? "What is the sound of one hand clapping"? I forget. It's been about 50 years since I first heard that phrase.
"'If a tree falls in a forest and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound?' is a philosophical riddle that raises questions regarding observation and knowledge of reality."
But, it was too early in the morning, and my internal database search was on the blink. 
abortion is murder, killing fetuses is not "killing someone". There is no god!
Anti abortion supporters want us to ignore the fact that at the end of the day , the government decides when a fetus is a person. For some reason they would have us believe that "god" alone makes that decision. Politicians know both of these things and pander to people that share these views. If a politician can appear to be supporting the word of god then folks that believe in god will lend him some support.
A vast majority of US black people believe in god but don't tend to support republicans but in the past have had some human rights issues. Santorum needs attention so he tried to stereotype blacks (blacks and fetuses have the same human rights issues) and then point out that Obama was not clearly supporting his position. Politicians dont have to prove that they are sane.
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