I know it can be tough when it comes to providers who ONLY see johns via provider reference - which sometimes can screw them in the end of the provider reference isn’t someone who screens very well - because a few really really bad men had slipped through via this process .
But it is holiday and travel season so it’s possible they just aren’t working - try them again in two weeks
there are spotty providers (even I have one working with me and I only she her come in like once a month) and then there are devoted providers who take this job more seriously
You mentioned to see massage only folks , another provider will look into another provider and make sure she is someone who have enough and recent reviews as well,
and before seeing them just be up front as ask if they give out references but also be prepared to make an offer if u use them more than once
(I will not be one of them because it’s hard for me to give references when I remove all contact information the week of ) I also screen differently with out provider references sometimes and will only take references if a person is of retiring age of 65 or over
You can also read through reviews and see if you can catch any that mention other johns have gotten through with references , maybe pm another John and ask who you can see that will give you a reference
Honestly I’m curious to know who your references were that weren’t good enough - if u want to pm me who they are I can probably tell u why they maybe not have worked - but if these other references you have are well established and are still active , it could be something that might have gone wrong in your session (sometimes, unfortunately , there are some providers who don’t speak up about boundaries and don’t say anything when it’s too late, so always ask for consent to any action you make and area you touch)
or that the provider just doesn’t want to give you a referral just because? You can try talking with the previously seen provider also but be sure it’s someone within the short span of time (typically 6 months) most providers prefer recent
There’s also newby friendly providers , who will screen with your work information (again make sure she is well established with plenty and plenty of good reviews on what sort of person she is )
Consider building your p411 under a discreet hobby email you can hang on to ?
As for newer providers you are looking at with out reviews maybe you can ask them to have a provider reference who is very established (this is to open up your options)
You can also ask your previous provider for anyone else they might recommend ?
I hope this helps and someone else can come place their input , I’m also forever learning to be better