Here's an example of, IMO, mental abuse.
With maybe the fear of physical abuse.

 

This is all my opinion on what I read.
The other day I saw a post about this guy at an incall and the Kgirl is telling him about another client that brings gifts and recently brought a schoolgirl outfit for her to wear only for him.
He didn't want other customers getting it sweaty and stained with their bodily fluids.
So, the guy she is telling the story to either gets pissed off or jealous or both.
I'm guessing she had it on to show him and he starts the action.  
He does the session with her wearing the outfit and then comes on the floor, doesn't say if he ever finished like that before.
He then proceeds to clean the floor with the schoolgirl outfit!
Says the Kgirl gets mad and then says she found it funny too, I bet.
He said that they were going to get something to eat and maybe she did that, finding it funny, so it wouldn't ruin the night.
Seems to me he already got that started!
Then there were posts telling him it was a fucked up and jealous move.
One of his replies was that he doesn't mistreat the Kgirls, ever!
My guess is he is thinking about when they are having sex and not being rough.
To me it goes beyond that.
First, she gets mad because he disrespected her place, coming on the floor, if that's not something he does all the time and treating her property/gift like its trash.
Second, says she thought it was funny, but maybe not to ruin the night.  
My take is, maybe she felt uncomfortable and didn't trust this guy not to get angrier and she didn't know how far he would take it, yell, put her down or even get physical.
That, IMO, could have scared her!  
All this fucked up behavior, to me is mental abuse!

 

So, there are a few ways to abuse or disrespect the Kgirls, not just being rough in a session!  
Once again, just how I see it from what I read.

I agree since I was the first guy to call him out that it was a fucked up thing to do. Even something like coming on the floor by accident is a burden on kgirls because they have to clean it up. And when you use their clothes to clean it up, even if it was a gift from another monger, well that just shows the kind of person you are.

Another thing that bothers me is when guys brag about getting off the menu services in reviews. For example in my ATF Ina's most recent review, one guy claims he got anal. I'm not jealous or anything since anal isn't my thing, but now it's possible that some dumb monger is going to try to pressure her into anal as well just because one reviewer claims he got it. If you got extra services congrats, but don't brag about it or you will ruin it for yourself as well for everyone!

Assuming everything that was said is true, of course, because we have no other frame of reference.  

 
The guy clearly didn't give a shit about the fellow monger. Even further, it was his intention to humiliate the monger and then possibly post about it.  

This brings me to few important breakpoints where if the girl acted differently, things wouldn't ever take this turn.  

 
1. Talking about other particular customers. I never got this concept and will never get it, especially with the amount of drama it causes in private channels. When I go to fuck an escort I never talk about other mongers in particular, nor do I want to hear about them or their gifts or whatever. Clearly this outfit was an intimate gift by a customer. A girl never mentions the outfit = this never happens.  

 
2."I'm guessing she had it on to show him". This is brushing culpability aside . Why did she have it on? Why did she decide to show it to him? By doing so, she is betraying the initial customer trust. Even if the current customer asked her to put it on, she could've refused.  
And if she put it on voluntarily, she never gave a fuck about the customer who gave it to her. Ironically maybe the dick customer ended up showing what the girl really  thought of the other dudes gift or concept.  

 
3. They went out to eat after. If the girl was truly pissed, she'd refuse. Hell hath no fury like Korean women angry.

4. He is not blocked by the girl yet. If the argument was that she was afraid of his temper, she'd block him as soon as he left.  

 

 

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So my two cents to sum it up, assuming again everything was a truth with zero hyperbole.  

Also least assumptions as usual.  

 

The dick customer and the girl know each other for a while. She is comfortable with confiding in him. The girl doesn't really care about the customer who gave her the outfit or the outfit in general.  

 
In my opinion, theyre a good match for each other. Girl has loose lips and guy is an asshole. Mental abuse? Huh? The only abuse I saw was for the floor and the cumrag on it (the cloth).  

 
The only person I feel sorry for in the entire story is the guy who gave her the outfit. I wish him the best mental health after he reads this story. He did gain some experience/lesson, just sucks it had to be this way. Never give a woman more than you want her to leave with.

-- Modified on 6/16/2023 12:25:41 PM

Some real fuckin weirdos in this business, I tell ya

So many assumptions by the OP and critic #1. That was a lame interpretation based on what we KNOW. This assessment, that these two were close and made for each other, is what I was hearing while I was reading the post. I could see her loving the disrespect for the other guy. And what says disrespect like cleaning up your cum, from the floor, with something personal to the other guy. (Something tells me the original story was somebody trying bring life to an angry fantasy.)

Thanks for the post.
I didn't read Ina's review to see if the guy has good chemistry with her, do you think it's true?
I've seen Ina a few times and I think you'd have to have a good connection to start with and maybe she'd get wild.
Otherwise, if it's true why put her on front street!

I really don't get why the girl isn't getting more blame in this.  

 
It's a symptom of this board tho. People think girls are never culpable for anything.

the girl carries some blame.
But 'maybe' she felt intimidated and wanted to end it/move on.

 

BTW
Someone gave the guy an out and he took it!
Another poster said maybe it was tough love and the guy jumped on it and did some, IMO, back pedaling.

You refer to reading the post, so are you talking about my post or the original posts on the other site?

This one is all I've seen. Is the other on USA or what?

Okay, no one is innocent so ....

 
But I actually don't get the need to find fault with the girl (yes, she may well have broken some faith with the other monger if she was wearing the outfit) but to then want to use that as some dismissal of the criticism of the actions of the guy is the same as saying "You didn't lock you door so the guy that came in an stole everything you had is not really to blame" or "We should understand he was temped and couldn't resist." or some such crap. What the guy did was pretty low class (both at the session and having posted it)

 
Some other wrong (or mistake) a person does not justify the wrong action by someone else.

 
That said, regardless of the value of the recounted story might be, it is very clear that abuse need not rely solely on physical violence.  Stalkers anyone? Emotional/psychological pressure for some unprovided service. Unwanted affection and confessions or love or what not? We've all heard those stories.

-- Modified on 6/18/2023 2:24:18 PM

Yes, usa.

been able to stop some, if not all, of this guy's behavior.  
And maybe that's where some blame can be hers, but my speculation from what I read, I thought there was more to it.
The guy doesn't get a pass from me, even if the girl didn't short stop him sooner or at all.
That's what my post was about, intimidating someone so they are not able to act and stop fucked up treatment.
My opinion, if he acts this way with someone he's seen a number of times, he will act the same with other Kgirls.

 
Some things that are looked at as over the top treatment by some, well the providers might think it's in their job description and deal with it, IMO, unnecessarily!
An example, I pounded her for 59 mins, and she loved it! Some might, but not all. I've heard that from a few Kgirls.

 
One guy did a review where he hurt the girl so bad, she was in pain, wanted to go to the ER and he stopped her from making the call.
So, fucked up and shitty treatment is bad, but putting it on the boards/forums and blowing it off is worse.
All my POV.

I strongly disagree. If he’s seen her several times, to the point they do OTC stuff, there’s little resemblance to the way he would treat someone he just met.

take that bet!
And if he crossed the line once, he could do it easier the second time!
IMO, doesn't matter if it's a first visit or the tenth, OTC or at the incall.
Something set him off this time and something could set him off again, he showed us that!

I'm not even convinced that it wasn't done in a mutually appreciated warped sense of humor. Under the right conditions, it would probably be funny to any of us. I'm not saying this was the case, I'm just repeating what a lot of guys have said: we don't know!
 
However, your comment about "I pounded her and she loved it" brings up one of my pet peeves. "She can take a pounding," while probably more accurate, doesn't make me feel any better, but I can't argue it's not descriptive.

" . . . she can take a pounding . . . " objectifies these women.  I think they deserve a little more respect, even as sex workers.  They make us extremely happy, and where would we be without them, picking up some street-walker on Hollywood Blvd.?  

 
In discussions I have had with many Kgirls about how customers treat them, I have learned that they can usually tell instantly when they are just a piece of meat to the customer, and they turn off a little, just going through the motions, so those guys are NOT getting the most engaging service she has to offer.  I've said more than once here, mongers will usually get the same attitude FROM a Kgirl as you one THEY bring to the session.  

Weird shit happens BCDs.  Guys can be real losers. Kgirl can give her story to Booker to consider Black listing guy. We can read his story and pm him our disapproval.

I'm not sure what to make of the first line here:

It's the "I think they deserve a little more respect, even as sex workers" that's stuck in my craw. I don't like that line AT ALL. I've dated 2.5 SWs (0.5 because I have trouble defining that relationship LOL), and somehow I was able to compartmentalize their work lives from our relationship.  
 
On the other hand, there was always something a little 'off' about those relationships, just starting with the age gap and ending with communication. Eleven years was the smallest gap. Largest was 25. The ones I didn't date but wanted to marry? Those gaps were 40+ years and I had no takers. Hahaha. At my age now, I don't expect to get any more takers for ANY of that... just P4P and on the clock, pay in advance thank you very much.🙁
 
The second line, that's something I've always assumed. I mean, how could it not be the case that a guy's attitude impacts the overall session, for better and worse.

with 15 Kgirls to date, the shortest was two months and the two longest ones were over a year.  Most of them ended over jealousy . . . . hers, not mine.  In the beginning, we agree that she can keep working and I can see other girls as long as I'm paying.  In other words, we do not consider transactional sex to be cheating, but it always happens at some point that they find out I saw someone they know who is hotter than they are, and they start to get jealous and start expecting me to be exclusive while they still work and do 6 or 7 other guys a day.  That is never going to happen, so it's time for me to move on.  I only stay with them in real life if the playing field is level.  I agree that dating a sex worker is not for everyone.  Most guys can't separate their work from their real life and can't see themselves kissing the lips goodnight that sucked a half-dozen dicks that day.  I say that's why God invented mouthwash and toothbrushes.  Lol

 
It matters little who WE want to marry.  The Kgirls can usually marry who THEY want to marry, but I always try to have a good reason why I can't marry them when they get around to asking.  LOL    

anal and a few other moves as more of a power trip or a, 'yeah, I did that badge'.
Not that it couldn't be a sensuously sexy move, but I think that is rare in the P4P world, just my opinion.
More of a bucket list or to be a member of the anal club.

have the absolute right to block a guy from seeing them again and they don't have to tell the booker the reason if they don't want to.  The booker is powerless to overrule them, so the girls have a little more power in that regard than mongers often think.  Booker black-lists are usually agency-wide and stem from last-minute cancellations, chronic tardiness or complaints from MULTIPLE girls about the same behaviors, i.e., being rough, attempted stealthing, showing up drunk, pressing for off-menu services, and shorts.

Most are looking for a sugar daddy way out.  Either marriage for citizenship, someone to just take care of them or to seed money for a business/house/building...etc.  Not sure that the "status quo" is what most kgirls are looking for.  I can only imagine having a semi-relationship while working is very difficult for her.  Most I ask about being in a relationship respond with impossible.  Also, I'm pretty sure that the jealousy is that you're giving money to someone else, when it should be to her(in her mind's eye).  Not saying that it's  the only factor.  Had a kgirl get mad at me for seeing her roommate.  I always get asked if I saw her roommate.  The answer NOW is ALWAYS NO and that I only see you.  I'm pretty sure it was about the money, because I only saw her once and it was meh.  HA!

I really dont get that quip. You ask for respect for women (and tbh "even sex workers" sounds weird - I think all women should be respected) but then put down streetwalkers because you consider them a class lower?

Come on man. Putting down other women and other sex workers to prop up a certain segment of sex workers is pretty questionable.

 
I do agree with you about respecting women - even though I disagree with "she can take a pounding" being some sign of disrespect. Some of us love good service and animal sex and fucking hard with the girl enjoying it and fucking bad screaming fuck me. This is also a reason why I see older girls who have great service over young green girls who are more beautiful but can't service well.

 
Theres nothing wrong with hard, vigorous, animal sex where you jackhammer and the girl also jackhammers back.

 
If you like it slow and sensual and a gf fantasy, that's fine too but I don't get why you need to disparage those who look for girls who like hard sex and encourage it.

The regular that I've been with the longest, a few years now -- now that's some really sweaty and aggressive (yes, animalistic) sex. She knows I like to look, and she shows off her body parts regularly during a session to please me. She figured me out by the second meeting and it's been raunchy ever since. I don't understand how that connection works, but I've never met another like her... she knows what I like and she either shares my desires or simply enjoys pleasing me. It's one of those two. She amazes me.
 
My point is, there are girls who will pound you right back or whatever and they really like that you like it -- because they're into it, too. I contend these girls are RARE. The others that are "getting pounded and liking it" are doing what it takes to get/keep your business. I get the feeling that the line is usually used by a guy who pounds her and she just bears it, and that's all that should be taken from his comment that "she can take it." This is a lot different from "she likes it" or is even really ok with it.  
 
With the same girl I mentioned at he beginning, I was videoing a session with my phone. For the finale, I asked her to stay in the position she was in giving me head, and I would jerk off onto her tongue for the nut. I expected her to smile throughout and then use her cum battered tongue to start licking and sucking my cock until it was too limp. That's the money shot I was looking for. Nope. LMAO. It was fine, and she smiled and encouraged, but when when the last drop fell on her chin, she jackrabbited to the bathroom to get rid of that spunk. To this day, she has only swallowed once. In this case, "she can take it, but she doesn't like it."

I dont think service girls that like a thorough fuck are very rare. They are generally older less good looking and generally looser than most. So a lot of them are a niche kind of a deal. You know exactly what you're getting and it's damn good energetic service by someone who is a nymph or pretending to be one. Most of them are nasty in a good way.  

 

I will say I do expect girls who get advertised as service queens to accommodate an average sized penis going balls deep. That doesn't mean they can/should handle animalistic sex, but at least they shouldn' block penetration.

Obviously if the girl is green or isn't advertised as a service queen, there is no such expectation.

 
Seeing girls in real pain is a huge turn off for me, so personally I always ask beforehand to tell me if they're uncomfortable with something and I never go from 0 to 60. It's a mutual journey so when I slowly ramp up my strokes I check on her response and see how she feels.

Between "a lot of them are a niche kind of a deal" and "I slowly ramp up my strokes I check on her response and see how she feels," I'd say "rare" is what the casual reader would infer. I'm glad you provided the additional color. I've always assumed that not all the guys are just pounding without a care about the girl. You don't, good on you. Enjoy.
 
How common is it that you stop when you're not getting the response you're looking for?

and are able to compartmentalize work from personal relationships, it can work out, but for most women, marriage is the light at the end of the tunnel, so you have to deal with it at some point.    I'm just not interested in marriage again at my age, so when that subject comes up, I look for the nearest exit.   LOL

 
With that said, I have several former hobby bros that have married Kgirls and are still happy three, four, five years down the road after they first met while he was her customer. These guys always claim to be deliriously happy and say the sex is better now than it was when she was working.  Of course, it is, they only have to fuck one guy a day now.  Lol

 
Your analysis about roommates is spot on.  A few will actually recommend you see their roommate, in which case, you have a get-out-of-jail-free card, but absent them making the introduction, seeing roommates can end badly if you are a regular of one of them.  They consider it an insult that you were available for a session and chose someone else over them, AND, as you point out, give your money to another girl. If you are seeing a regular at least two times a month or more, it's easy for them to believe that you are ONLY seeing them, but seeing a roommate opens a real can of worms.  

I meant niche in terms of like, I know most mongers prefer a looker with ok service than a girl who doesn't look great and older but is like fucking a porn star on set. Im the other way around lol. A good looking young nice girl with a good bod is cool and all, but give me a tigress who rips my clothes off and goes into gluk gluk mode right away, all the way. Lol.

 
How common is where I stop if I dont get the response? All the time. Now, stop doesn't mean me pulling out completely and us playing battleship! for the rest of the appointment, but I usually just completely slow down and go back to very gentle short strokes and ask her to guide me. Now, I can lose a boner this way but I also lose a boner if a girl is in pain...  

 
I think what you touched on is true though. Some girls probably just troop it out in pain so that they get better feedback. But doubt theres much I can do if I ask if they're ok with my fucking and they smile back and say yeah keep going.

I used to think the same thing about anal that you do.  Until I had tried it a couple of times.

 
The first time was pretty great. But I thought that was only the case because her kitty was so small in comparison.

 
Then I had it with another girl who clearly had a bit of an anal preference. If you wanted her absolute strongest orgasm you had to put something up her pretty little ass. I just used my finger until one day she pulled me in the back door.

 
Eventually I started to realize that anal, with a girl who is enjoying it, is just another great way to have sex with a beautiful girl. It feels quite different from vaginal sex to both parties. And can, when done right, trigger a particular sensuality in both partners that is something special all by itself.

 
On the “girl who is enjoying it” point: There are multiple ways I’ve experienced this. I’m not going to cover protection and lube in this post. That is another topic entirely. Suffice to say that only very, very rare girls can safely enjoy anal without extra lubrication. When in doubt, lubricate. Hopefully, everyone already knows about the importance of protection with sex in general and especially with anal.

The multiple ways referenced above:

 1. With a girl who has decided she really likes you and wants to give you something special even though it’s not her thing. If you make sure you’re tuning into her feelings there comes a moment when she acknowledges that it is quite a bit more fun than she thought. But, generally, they remain fearful of it even then. Unless it is with a guy that they like and trust that he knows what he’s doing sufficiently that he won’t hurt her. Regardless of what you see in porn, painful sex is not fun. It is just too easy to generally hurt a girl with anal if you don’t know what you’re doing and watch her for signals.  
Though on one occasion, the girl realized that she couldn’t overcome her fears and I just told her I appreciated that she cared enough to try. But that it was far more important to me that we have fun together than that she give me anal.

 
 2. With a girl who actually likes anal. But for reasons stated above, she is quite careful who she does it with because of the risks. In the k-girl world I’ve found this to be rather unusual. Quite a treat when it happens though.

 
3. With a girl who doesn’t particularly like anal. But she enjoys the extra tip or upcharge she gets when she does it. These girls are relatively easy to spot. Did it with one girl like this and won’t ever be doing that again. It’s just not fun to me if the girl isn’t genuinely into it.  

 
One of the most fun instances of the #1 case above was with a girl I’d been seeing for quite a while. She like a little bit of rimming. Though not much. So, I never even broached the topic with her.

 
But one day things were different.  

 
I was sitting up on the bed while she was giving me head. The pleasure was so intense I was hard as a rock. At one point she popped me out of her mouth and said “give me that right now”. She grabbed a cover faster than I’ve ever seen and almost jumped onto my lap and took me in all at once. She started frantically bouncing on me. I was holding her very firm bottom (this was one extremely fit girl) with my right hand while my left was helping me stay balanced on the bed.  

 
She was so extremely wet, and just getting wetter as she bounced, that at one point my right middle finger slipped into her tight little hole (the one she wasn’t already bouncing on me with). Her eyes got very big. She started bouncing even harder. Giving me no chance to pull that finger out.

 
And she let out the longest, loudest yell I’ve ever heard from a k-girl with a roommate during work hours. With that she came long and hard.

 
After that, she kinda changed her mind about whether she liked anal.  

 
Good times.

-- Modified on 6/22/2023 7:20:21 PM

Was it cheaper to have them as girlfriends or pay them per hour?  

I actually do think a hobbyist marrying a provider could work.  You really can't criticize each other about the P2P, pretty even steven.  The problem is the open relationship that takes a certain type of couple to succeed.  

about me doing it as a power trip, although, there was probably a time or two that that was the case.
So, long ago I don't really remember.
Butt^^ there was the pleasurable times that I had with a couple of partners.
Not really my thing now, but you never know where a good sexual romp will take you!

 

As stated in my post, anal can be sensuous when both partners are into it for pleasure.
When one person is paid, and that's the only reason they're doing it with the payer, and the other
person, who is paying, it's my opinion that it's more of a power/domination trip that they might not even be aware of.

 

As for when you are caught without any lube, I've found that you can get it  
done with some spit and determination^^!

Many years ago, wasn't there some famous British actor who got caught in his car with a Hollywood TS SW? That sort of creates a stereotype which, by definition, is unfair.

So you're saying when cdl said if it wasn't for kgirls we'd be picking up streetwalkers on Hollywood, he meant trans women?

 
I didn't know he swung that way! not that there's anything wrong with that.

Huh? What? She was a he? Really? How is this the first I'm hearing this? Hugh Grant w a TS??

Foxy Brown. Dude Looks Like A Lady.

Ooops. My bad. It happened in 1995. It's been the subject of so many jokes and talk show spoofs that I failed to check for a source. Grant's car date was an XX she, not a TS XY she.

Whew.😅 Thanks for the correction. lol.

you can learn whether a Kgirl that you are seeing on the outside is really into you, or is just using you as an ATM.  If they really love you, they are NOT okay with you paying for everything the two of you do together.  Sometimes, they insist on paying for meals, concert tickets, or other expenses, like a weekend away somewhere together.  Of course, the other way you can learn they have strong feelings for you is when they get jealous about you fucking other women, but the only time I ever went for that was when I dated a RETIRED Kgirl, and of course, it was mutually exclusive, not just on my part.  

 
It's hard to say which is cheaper unless we break it down.  If you only count the time in the bedroom, then it costs more to be a boyfriend, but if you count all of the hours you spend together doing other things like any normal couple, it's considerably cheaper per hour, but I would spend the same amount dating a civvie girl, so it depends on what you are looking for in the relationship.  To clarify, it doesn't cost me anymore to have a Kgirlfriend than a civvie girlfriend when you consider the entire picture.  

 
You are absolutely right about having a sex worker as a girlfriend is not right for everyone.  If the man has any insecurities about her working with other men, it's not going to work.  There is a reason why she wants YOU as her outside boyfriend, and a man with confidence who doesn't get jealous is a huge turn-on for most women, not just sex workers.  

Pros are NOT going to drain your blood until you're dead.  They'll occasionally pay for something, not sure if that's a good measure.

Interesting that you spend the SAME for civvie GF as kgirlfriend.  I just assumed that a kgirlfriend is more akin to a sugarbaby than a true civvie GF.  Maybe not a full blown sugarbaby, but having those sugarbaby tendencies.  I suppose there are those unicorns that our brothers DO marry.

Kgirls on the outside have had relationships more like SB's than civvie girls, but if it's really a mutual attraction, then the dynamic will feel more like a civvie relationship and there is a mutual respect that you don't get from a SB who taking your money and knows that sex is the only currency she has to provide in order maintain the relationship.  I have had a few that were like that, and those are the ones that only last a couple of months, because it's easy to see that it's not real and not going anywhere, so what is the point of hanging in there?  If you can find a relationship that is like a civvie relationship and the only thing different is that instead of a cubicle, your girlfriend goes to work in a bedroom, it can last a long time.  

 
It does not take long to discover if she views your relationship as just another Sugar Daddy helping her out in exchange for sex, or something real that she is willing to contribute towards and sacrifice to maintain.   It's also more than her paying for some of the mutual expenses of the relationship.  How many guys have had their laundry done by a Kgirl when she is not busy?  You hear that washer and dryer going all day long at the incall, but the only thing you ever see is the towels.  That's the kind of sacrifice and commitment to the relationship I'm talking about as being the same as with a civvie girl, her willing to do personal things for you when she is not busy in order to save you time.  It's easy for guys who have only had a "customer" experience to be skeptical, but many of these girls live a pretty lonely life, and having a boyfriend who understands their business and is not going to try to control them is a very attractive proposition, with money having very little to do with it.  

I'm skeptical of everyone, ESPECIALLY of pros.

career working girls, but most Kgirls view sex work as temporary and a means to an end.  They usually have a goal in mind (it's usually financial but can also include finding a husband for financial support in retirement, baby-daddy or green card qualification), and once they achieve it, they are out.  Some come back if they have a new goal, but the goals are usually achievable in a few years and is the reason they are doing it, not because they view it as a life-long career the way a lot of indies do.  There are indies posting on the GD board that have been at this for 30-40 years.  There are only a handful of Kgirls that I have ever heard of staying in this game for more than 10-12 years.  

If she's living with you, you're her sugar daddy.  How do you get her to move out in the end?  Big Drama?

That just should never happen. lol.

so they never move in with me.  We get an apartment in, or near, Ktown together, or if her place is big enough, I move in with her.  Either way, we split the rent, and a few days a week, I will drive down to my place on the Orange County coast and take a break.  That way, each of us gets some alone time and we're not crowding each other.  

 
I rarely have drama when it comes to the end.  When it's over, we both know it. I have managed to stay friends with all of my ex-Kgirlfriends except one.  If we got the apartment together, and she doesn't want to take it over by herself, I find a sub-lessee, and we both move out.  If it was her apartment to begin with, I just pack up my stuff and leave.  Anything I bought for the apartment in the way of furnishings, I let her keep, and that helps make it an amicable separation.  

 
It's pretty clear you have never had a real life relationship with a Kgirl, because you are skeptical about it being like having a civvie girlfriend but like I said earlier, if you treat it like a civvie relationship, it will flow like a civvie relationship.  As I also said above, some DO treat it like an SB arrangement, and I will bail out fairly quickly if that happens, and sometimes there is a little drama, but I just talk them down off the ledge.   Lol     If it's not the kind of relationship you want, just mutually end it without any drama.  

I always figured it would be hard to shake the client-provider relationship aura.  I'd always wonder if she's looking at me as a meal ticket and/or the "Mark".  I guess that could be said with anyone, but with pros (at least when I'm paying at the beginning);  I am the MARK/meal ticket.  HA!  

about the nature of the relationship in the early stages of seeing a new Kgirl, you are not likely to ever be a "Mark."  When you keep your wits about you, you make yourself hustle-proof, and you will not be here someday telling us about how you gave some Kgirl $15,000 so her mom could get a needed surgery, or her little sister could get smuggled out of NK.  

 
Many Kgirls are patient about playing the long con, and many love-struck customers don't see it coming until it's too late.  When you are seeing someone regularly, and the two of you start sharing things about yourself to get to know each other,  IF she is interested in you as a potential boyfriend, she will focus on the positive aspects of her life thus far, her accomplishments, successes and educational pursuits, the same as a civvie girl would do.  If she starts talking about how hard her life is and the problems she has back home, then she is sizing you up as a potential "mark."  Beware the telltale signs that she is laying the groundwork to hit you up for a major sum of money.