Been doing this for a long time and noticed recently that BBFS is on offer with a surprising number of providers. 3 in the last month - 1 of whom was BP but the others were from respectable agencies. All of whom were recent starts to the business - or so they say - and none of whom I had seen before, so not a regular.
Before the tidal wave of comments from providers and guys alike about - "I'd never do this, very dangerous, blah blah."
Purpose of this post is to solicit opinion on why all of a sudden this has emerged?
A laisez faire attitude to health and safety perhaps? Lack of education? I just havent been in that situation before? Perhaps I just look clean (joke)
Again, opinion on why this is happening now, rather than a philosophical or emotion debate on BBFS being wrong or not.
Something a dumbass does to get Aid's (unprotected sex)
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I think that also includes unprotected oral sex (DATY), which most of us engage in
I definitely agree that the "omg I would never do that!" attitude expressed on forums doesn't jibe with the far more casual reality in the field.
I think it's just a more laissez faire attitude.
Like some others, I grew up in the "AIDS is a death sentence" era of the mid-80s through mid 90s; most providers were BORN in the mid-80s to early 90s, and reached sexual maturity in an era where AIDS had become a treatable (if chronic) illness. There's just not the fear of death which kept sexual athletes gloved back in the day.
I'm sure there are other factors (certainly there's been a migration of streetwalker-level providers into the online scene with backpage, and some percolate up into the agencies with time, girls who are likely profoundly ignorant), but mostly it's a blase attitude.
Think of the larger picture: a lot of people text while driving. This is almost certainly far deadlier in aggregate than unsafe sex practices, yet everyone just sort of does it without thinking.
I assume you're "paying" these woman who you claim are offering you BBFS?
Next time you're offered BBFS, simply refuse and tell them you prefer to use a condom during intercourse. We all know BBFS occurs.. clients and providers have personal lives outside of the hobby.
As a "paying" client you have the final decision in regards to whether or not you're going to use protection.
And who cares why it's happening you're "paying" you have a right to refuse!
Of course it's all about choice and decisions, we all choose to participate in the haobby or not. We all choose who we see and what we do there. If a girl offers something that we don't want, we can decline,
That's not the point of the op Ed here, it about a seemingly recent increase in offering something that was previously considered verboten by most if not all providers.
As I said, trying to understand why attitudes and/or practices have SUDDENLY changed. As one poster said, it probably is a result of a newer generation of providers coming through that are completely uneducated or insensitive to the potential impact.
Really? Then why didn't you just ask those who offered it to you. Sort of like getting it from the horse's mouth don't you think.
Or at least I did ask the second and third, I was a bit shocked when the first offered it.
Answers were very similar - first time or seldom do this, I looked like a nice clean guy
Not the best of reasons I am afraid, so wanted to solicit opinion from the broader community based on the collective experience
If you cared, you would not post with an Alias. This is highly sensitive subject, post such things accessing many of such act with an alias has “ZERO” credibility. Been around these boards little over ten years and there many like me, your post doesn’t cut mustard. I would venture and say, those of us who have been around while would have known about this.
Your sole objective appears to be discredit indies and agencies alike which brings up the question, who are you? Disgruntled provider?
Trying very hard not to respond because you know what they say about arguing with certain type of folks - "bring you down to their level and beat you with experience"
Here it is in a nutshell
Credibility - none is expected, none received, don't care what your opinion is on that - TER allows an Alias to be used, I chose to use it to remain anonymous - no pun intended. Frankly if you feel the need to give or withhold credibility on this thread, you've missed the point entirely.
Discrediting - your point appears to be that my only intention was to discredit indies and agencies - so basically the entire provider community in Atlanta? To what end? Makes no sense, but then again missing the whole point of the thread.
10 years on the board - on behalf of the Atlanta community, i would like to thank you for your contribution in that time. I am confident that your 3 reviews have aided countless hobbiest here in Atlanta. Checking your postings on this board, you regularly provide valuable comments which seem to fall into 2 categories - angry flaming of other posters or "nice picture" comments. You dont have to look at too many of your posts to form an opinion of you - Your own credibility is immeasurable.
Disgruntled provider - short version, no. Tried to figure the logic in that comment, but logic doesn't apply here I guess.
Anonymousfun - please do not feel the need to reply to this thread again, I suspect however that you will not be able to resist which I believe will only cement your brand on the board. Up to you, no one really cares
To the folks that read, understood and replied to the question in my original post - thank you. Good insights.
I did expect some drama on this, but now at an end (hopefully).
Just asking. This is pretty big accusation to make here about providers and agencies.
You are just trying to discredit providers and agencies. I know you didn’t name them but rumor mill will take care of it.
If you are going to make such a big accusation, grow some balls and post with your real handle
With you or anyone else. Fairly inflammatory language for you sir.
Reason for my using an alias was to protect myself and the ladies in question. On the one hand, certain folks would avoid but on the other at least as many would actively seek them out. If you refer to the survey that TER did on the home page, you can easily see the results.
As far as discrediting anyone, not sure how you could infer that from my post. Certainly wasn't my intention, nor will I "out" anyone. I've already had multiple PMs asking for names as well as open requests on the board - clearly an interest in this type of service - but trust me, I will not be providing names.
Also good to see from another poster - yes using an alias - that I am not alone and that this is on the uptick.
If you have a positive contribution, I and others would surely enjoy reading it.
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You said they offered you this service.
My interest in asking for names is simply to add value to an otherwise worthless thread; an alias post about nameless ladies...not helpful, and certainly not worth my time to speculate about the nameless ladies' motivations.
Clearly you have not experienced this or do not wish to share that experience, which is absolutely fine.
Again.....the purpose of the thread was to ask the ATL community if this was widespread or isolated and if there was any opinion on why this might be on the increase.
To say that it is not worth your time to speculate, and then to post multiple replies seems like it would actually take more of your time. The obvious remedy to your time problem should be reasonably clear.
If you see no value in the thread, by all means skim over to the next one.
Again, if they offered you the service, what are you "protecting" them from? Did they ask you not to reveal their names/agencies?
Please get real.
He called a spade a spade. Now here is some inflammatory language for you; take your BS and stick it !
I have been hobbying for 4 years. I had one offer of BBFS in those 4 years and it was from an indy. I have had 2 offers in the last month. Both from agency ladies. Of course I declined all of them. There definitely seems to be an uptick in the offer.
Rawdoggin in the hobby is just about everyone bangs someone sans jimmyhat. Maybe a provider
Is bb with her S0. Or hobby dude is raw with the ol ball and chain maybe escort and customer do it too because she like him and both are clean. Don't even mention daty or bbbjcim gulp! Point is it isn't rare just risky!
I for one kinda like this kind of posting. It really is more of an intellectual exercise and a sociological study seeking to get into the minds of certain individuals. I disagree with with those responding by saying it is a worthless post. The worthless postings are from those who are seeking the names of the providers of these services (unless of course these "gentlemen" are seeking these services for themselves.) The who in this thread is totally irrelevent.
You wouldn't be interested in avoiding the ladies/agencies engaging in this practice? The only reason to ask for the names is to seek the services of these ladies?
How about avoid it by just saying no! Jesus, it's not like you are being blindsided and forced into anything. If it's offered, just insist on a condom. It's not that complicated! But again, that's not what this thread is about.
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Listen Bro - I'm not trying to be argumentative or to jack the thread, Ok?
What it boils down to for me and probably for a lot of people is I would like the opportunity to stay away from these agencies and ladies - I don't like surprise upsells even when I can obviously say no (if that is the scenario) - and my feeling is an agency or lady willing to engage in/tolerate this category of reckless/dangerous behavior probably is willing to engage in others, which could put any of us in a dangerous situation.
I'd be interested in avoiding that by staying away in the first place.
I can't understand why the OP would withhold the information or why you would support that. Supposedly these ladies are *offering* the service to clients they have not even seen before. How does "protecting" them even apply? From what? It doesn't really make sense to me.
Have a nice day.
I'm sorry but you just don't get. If she offers it to you, chances are she offers it to other guys. Nothing says every guy turns it down. What if one guy says yes and passes on AIDS? Saying no will not prevent you from getting AIDS! If she has AIDS, you can get it with or without a condom. You get the disease and take it home to your SO, you are going to ruin peoples lifes. If the OP was truthfully offered BBFS, he has a duty to inform the hobby community. I want to be able to make the most well informed decision possible. If a provider is offering BBFS, it is a huge safety risk for everyone. Just my opinion.
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been in hobby on and off for awhile. i never had it happen to me until last month.set up a meeting with a provider who recently moved here from another state. She had great reviews and her photos were stunning. when we met she was definitely heavier than photos but had just come from her corporate job and looked like the librarian. during screening she was very paranoid about LE and i gave her references. once we got going she was great except when i went down on her for daty there was a strong odor. I was very surprised because she was very professional in everything else. i had to stop doing my favorite thing. I was on top and we were about to screw and she was pretty worked up. i asked her if she had a condom and she said No but its OK i am clean 100% certain. i get checked and have a client who is an MD. she also had a wedding ring on and said she was recently married and her husband is cool with her hobby.she kept reassuring me and said she doesnt bring condoms to the first meeting with a client that she doesn't know because if i was LE she could be arrested for having condoms,then clarified that it would have to be 2 condoms to get in trouble. as i mentioned earlier she was very paranoid. what a mood killer. finished with a great BJ and i doubt i will be back !!
Sorry for long post/reply and alias but it does happen !! be safe
she said women shouldn't be so worried about getting HIV if they're having sex w/ straight males.
So maybe this generation thinks it's not as prevalent as when u were young.
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Most are not going to like what i am about to say however, as someone who has been working in the healthfield for 20 yrs the truth is far from what you believe. If you engage in french kissing,bbbj,cim,dtay,dtao etc,,, you have already exposed yourself to herpes,hepatitis A.B.C.D (yes, they go on) warts and the HIV virus.Of course there are all the other standard infections as well. A condom is a false sense of security. Mode of transmission is any opening in the skin,,,ANY. Is it risky and taking a chance ? yes. but , as I said once you exchanged bodyfluid of any kind anywhere, you are exposed. The only thing you cannot catch regardless of mode is,,,preganancy. That you can feel safe about :/