As we all know, TOFTT can be and often is a risky endeavor. Especially for those of us that aren't super loaded to the point where if we're not enjoying a session or the girl doesn't turn us on, we could politely leave, and still paying full $$$ price so as to not get banned or BL'd by agency, and not feel it at all financially.
But on the other hand, we all know that a lot of the time when a girl doesn't have any TER reviews, and STILL doesn't have any after a week or two of her tour, that it is due to guys wanting to keep her UTR so she doesn't get busy. Are there "tells" of the latter? How do you guys do the calculus on TOFTT? Just curious. I've been burned a few times and can't think of once when TOFTT paid off, although my short term memory isn't the greatest, lol.I don't really know what else to say. You're right in that we are often vulnerable to getting burned, but there have been at least a couple of girls in San Diego and Orange County where I was among the first to see them/ review them and they turned out to be a couple of the best experiences I've had. One of the KGirls is now among my favorites and I see her every time she is back.
TOFTTing generally isn't for me. Too risky, as you note. I've had some incredibly bad experiences when I've tried it. The only time it works out is when a trusted booker recommends a new girl. In that case, even if this girl has no reviews and there is no chatter on the boards, the booker recommendation is usually golden. One booker, in particular, really knows what I like.
On the other hand, I guess that's not a TOFTT situation, since I have solid info going into the session. So, I'll go back to my original answer: I don't TOFTT.
I would like to note that even though you yourself have stated that you had some incredibly bad experiences, you also said you never write negative reviews.
So it seems you are content with other people also having incredibly bad experiences when they tofft, something that could have been avoided with a negative review. And your bad experience could have likely be avoided if another brave soul would have written a negative review before you decided to book.
Instead, some other dudes probably had very similar bad experiences to yours.
So - and I don't mean to say it with animosity - I think you're a part of the problem here.
I will never in my life will understand a buyer who had a terrible experience with a seller, protecting the seller instead of other buyers. It doesn't make any sense whatsoever to me.
Here we go again. Another trip into the Team Quirky vortex. No thanks. I'm gonna pass on this discussion and go write some more POSITIVE reviews - LOL!
Next up: Shani. An incredibly hot k-babe.
Here we go again with you making fun of my nickname and not addressing the issue.
At least you openly acknowledge that to you, preventing tears of a seller who gives you an "incredibly bad experience" is more important than preventing "incredibly bad experiences" for yourself and others. Many cannot even acknowledge this publicly.
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in the silliness of taking one for the team anymore. We certainly dont act like a team with all the arguing and insulting. The majority of first time reviews are 90% glowing 8-9 or 9-9 review by the usual people who only review that particular org. Its just not worth it anymore. I have been inboxing with a trusted few reviewers who have the same grading value system as my own and guys that know the difference between a C cup and a DD
For me it is really just about what my assessment of the pics and past experience with the agency. You're always going to lower your expectation about what you will get compared to what the ad shows (until that is proven by experience). There have been a few that we're very good for me over the past year or so here. And some that we're just okay -- not bad but not worth getting excited about either.
I do agree that it has not been nearly as good as it was 5 years ago but that is just how it is now. A few recent ones that come to mind have been Siena, Hana, and J and there are at least 2 others that I just cannot recall the name (talk about questionable memory! One that the reviews were good for). That is only for 2020 on. But within the last 6 months, probably none -- as they probably did have reviews but I seldom use them these days, and have not had VIP for a few years now.
I do agree with some of the other posts here. I'm not really doing this for some abstract team nor do I write reviews anymore so very few people will hear my assessment when I do see someone new. When I take that plunge I do so knowing full well it's a gamble and might be a disappointment. But since I'm pretty selective when I step into that unknown I suspect I don't feel the pain as much.
I’ve been fairly lucky because I stick to GFE KGirls who are well established. I have done non reviewed KGirls on “emergencies”. They are were typicslly young inexperienced and didn’t speak much English. But they weren’t bait and switch or anything horrible. Just not my type. So I avoid now. Generally speaking, the math isn’t the issue when TOFTT. It was just not very engaging to be with some young inexperienced who cannot speak English.
ive developed a good eye for fake/real pics (similarly used photo backdrops, outfits, photoshopping styles etc) so if the girls photos really attract me (I'm extremely picky btw) ill TOFTT. but I'm not a baller like some of the guys on the board. shes gotta REALLY pique my interest and the price has to be right.
Toftt in my experience does not have good EV (expected value), no matter what people who claim they have 90%+ success rate say. If toftt worked, people would not need review websites such as this one.
I actually don't know of situations of gatekeeping a kgirl with no reviews, badger made a thread recently and I didn't remember many who agreed that there was gatekeeping in this kgirl biz.
If anything all operations of korgs point to the fact that they want more reviews and more business. A girl who doesn't get many public reviews and/or word of mouth, will not bring in enough biz. That's not good for the girl or the org or pos. Girls typically try to make money ASAP and POs and orgs get a cut of each trick turned.
And orgs/girls are good at utilizing fomo. I don't know of a single kgirl in my area that was highly thought of and had little reviews so she'd be a toftt.
Anyway...after some real bad clunkers on toftts - especially last one which I made sure to review promptly and gave out a three for looks (something I know a lot of people on this site would consider sacrilegious for some silly sentimental reasons), I decided no more voluntary toftts. Ie, if I feel really horny and there is very little choice and/or time and I say fuck it let's go,Ill do it. Even then it's a -EV play, but you just accept it like you accept a bad bluff punt in poker sometimes. You knew it wasn't a good idea but your dick spoke louder than brain. Lol. Doesn't mean that I shouldn't review her, of course, but hopefully you get my point.
I just implore that if someone does toftt and get a bad experience, they don't wait for someone else to write a bad review. You could prevent the next guy from suffering the same fate as you. Use this opportunity.
If everyone who tofttd wrote a prompt honest review on every major platform and forum outlet tto get the news out faster.... there'd be a lot less toftts and as a result, a lot less bad experiences.
That's the math.
Here's what I do if there's a real problem, which is very very rare: I text the booker after the appointment and let them know what's up. Sometimes, the booker will reach out to me for feedback on a new girl or if they heard something from another guy. If it is a fixable issue, it could potentially be solved in time for the next guy after me. If the girl is just a dud, then she won't last very much longer.
That's why in my response to Sunny above, I mentioned that no news after 1 week+ = average to me, assuming the girl is still around. She didn't get anyone excited enough to write a review, but she met minimum expectations so no one complained.
BTW Sunny I forgot to remind you, don't forget to pee before and after you are done 
just for cases where he TOFTT or is that a general recommendation?
Every visit, whether it is a toftt or tenth repeat!
Do you have an example of such a "problem report" and evidence of how this report helped next customers in a way that a review would?
I'm sorry, I just have an extremely hard time believing fairy tales about POs being to able to do anything regarding to girl quality.
"Hey po, your girl is fat and her pics are 15 years and couple of hundreds of pork bellies off"
"Sure honey she's having lipo tomorrow and a new photoshoot next week"
Lol
And if the girl is a complete dud like you say, if she "doesn't last much longer" that means other people will still try her. How does this strategy help other mongers more than a prompt public review or post/PSA? It doesn't. Otoh, when you post a low scoring public review/mini off toftt, a lot of orgs/girls/shills run around with their asses on fire. I've seen it hundreds of times. They have no problem peddling off subpar product/service for the length of the tour ( the only exception is if the girl cannot take the difficulty level of the job) instead of "recalling" the said product/service and caring more about the customer than the money they make off the dud.
When org boss realizes girl is a complete dud, it is in the sellers best interest to still collect as much money as they can via her befor she leaves . On the other hand, it is in every mongers interest to not see a total dud. (Why would you want a fellow monger to have the same bad experience you had?) How do you reconcile this?
"Don't see her, she's a total dud and she shouldn't be working soon" - said no PO ever to a regular Joe customer. When even waiters say to not go for certain dishes because they know customers don't like em.
So once again (cue the Bernie meme) I'm asking to write a negative review of a dud that can and will save many mongers their doucats and potentially frustrating time. The only thing the "tell the PO" strategy saves, imo, is money for the seller. I have no idea why would a consumer want the seller to salvage a single penny off a dud.
Are you paying me to write reviews? No, so be thankful I'm at least providing feedback to one of the few people that can actually solve fixable problems immediately. If a girl literally stinks for example, I tell the booker, the booker tells the girl, and the girl can likely address it much faster than the time it will take for me to go home, write a review, and the review to make it through the approval process and get published. I have thus saved future guys from stank, because the girl has either fixed it or she will get the boot.
There was actually one time I told the booker the girl was far worse looking than expected. In this case, the booker asked me for feedback. This is not a problem that can be fixed immediately (obviously); however, she was magically not available within 2-3 days. Not every org lets just anyone peddle their wares, some places try to maintain minimum standards.
I know you are smart enough to see how what I'm doing benefits other guys. You just want everyone to write a review immediately after they get home from a visit. I don't have time for that, but I do what I can. Sometimes, problems get solved faster that way. I appreciate those of you that do have time to write a lot of thorough reviews.
Reviews are supposed to be honest and not written by anyone who has a vested interest.
So no, I'm never paying anyone for a review and no one else should either.
Reviews are literally priceless and ideally should never be bribed for.
"a girl literally stinks for example, I tell the booker, the booker tells the girl, and the girl can likely address it much faster than the time it will take for me to go home, write a review, and the review to make it through the approval process and get published. I have thus saved future guys from stank, because the girl has either fixed it or she will get the boot"
It doesnt even have to be a ter review. Get the news out by any means. News travels.
How did you save future guys? I don't get it, I've asked you to provide an example of what did the po or girl do, and to show how it was because of your feedback.
"There was actually one time I told the booker the girl was far worse looking than expected. In this case, the booker asked me for feedback. This is not a problem that can be fixed immediately (obviously); however, she was magically not available within 2-3 days"
How do you know the girl was gone because of specifically your feedback? Correlation does not imply causation.
"You just want everyone to write a review immediately after they get home from a visit."
I didn't say that. I said spread the news as fast as you can (and I understand that many would like to not out themselves on the same day or even weekend) to as many potential customers as possible. The best and fastest course of making a seller get off their ass and do something isn't to keep it in house under wraps while other fellow mongers keep getting burned in these several days. The best way is to light a pr fire under their asses with a public review/mini or trip report (whichever site you use)
What I want is to minimize the $ amount that duds can earn. I only care about fellow mongers though, don't give a fuck what a sellers biz or org biz is like. The more in red an org is off a dud, the better off fellow mongers are. And that's #1 goal to me.
Why not report it to PO (if you think it's effective, we can disagree about this) AND to the fellow mongers?
I don't think those are mutually exclusive things.
Reporting it only to the po but not the rest of consumers, lets the seller off the hook completely.
Why would any consumer want to let a seller who provided bad experience, off the hook? I don't get it.
If I had a bad experience buying anything - literally anything, I'd like to let others know of my datapoint. Isn't this why people come to sites like this one?
Sweeping it under the rug, keep-it-in-the-locker-room attitude is counterproductive to the purpose of sharing info imo.
If, of course, one truly cares about sharing truthful info and other mongers experiences over silly irrational sentimental attachments to ones who gave them bad experiences.
The most important thing is doing image searches because I can turn up either fake pics or ads the girl used at a different location/previous tour. I don't usually see girls with obviously fake pics, or when their ads have pics of like 3 different girls, unless I have specific intel the girl is worth seeing (i.e. a favorite vet has returned under a new name). Obviously, if you can find a previous ad for the girl, you can usually find reviews and it is not really a toftt anymore.
If I can't find anything on image search, it is just instinct. I have been using the orgs I use for a long time, and so I have a familiarity on how close the pics usually are and how the website stats generally translate to the real deal. I make an educated gamble and hope for the best, most of the time it's fine because the service floor for my orgs is pretty high.
Lastly, if I don't hear any news for 1 week+, I can usually assume an average experience at best. Yes, guys definitely gatekeep, but I only focus on one area and word always gets out about the good ones there.
Boys have been chasing girls for a very longtime. We like the chase and the girls also like being chased.
Technology has reduced the chase’s surprises, to a very large extent. In the KGirl world, there are sufficient mongers who pursue the Kgirl of their dreams to provide us a KGirl platform. We can do it virtually and then push a button to close the chase with a few hundred/thousand dollars, wons, rubles, pesos, dinars, euros, pounds, etc etc etc.
Technology has given the players in the chase an advantage, on both sides. No, we don’t get to see real pics. We aren’t promised a rose garden. We still need to stand before the magic door and hope the encounter will be satisfying. But technology has made that box of chocolates more promising with fewer surprises.
Kgirls also benefit from technology. Fewer creeps. They get to report bad behavior, shit in butt cracks, crazed mongers, etc. They can blacklist us. They can do a lot of things but mostly they want the agreed fee to wash out our cracks, suck our dicks and bounce on our bellies.
Technology gives us the advantages of kissing and telling on forums like this. Crowd sourcing has its advantages for both boy and girl.
Guys, it’s your ugly dick. If she is pleasant, fairly attractive, gets your dick hard, sucks your ugly dick. Lets you stick your ugly dick in her pussy, then the math works for everyone!
That the real TOFTT Math!